Nick/Greg (CSI)
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Title: Accidentally In Love
Author: Caroline
Spoilers: through season four
Email: carolinecrane at yahoo.com

Accidentally In Love: On Why I Slash Nick and Greg
I'm a rareslash writer. For nearly as long as I've been in fandom, that's how I've defined myself. So about a year and a half ago, when a friend mentioned a really slashy pairing on That Crime Show My Mom Loves, I laughed it off. Because I didn't do mainstream fandoms, and I certainly didn't write crimeslash.
So I went back to my rare fandoms and I told myself I didn't need another pairing, and certainly not a network TV pairing. Then one Thursday during rerun season, I happened to catch an episode of CSI. I'd seen the show once or twice, but I'd never really paid any attention before, so I didn't expect to be swayed by this pairing my friend claimed was so fantastic and so completely underappreciated in fandom.
As luck would have it, the episode I caught was "Chasing the Bus" (2.18).
To this day that episode (for all it's been overplayed) remains a sentimental favorite for me, not just because it's the episode that really made me fall in love with CSI, but because it's the episode that showed me just what Nick and Greg could be. Maybe because the first time I saw them interact they were out of the lab, I saw more than just the caricature of 'Greg the Lab Rat', as he's so often painted in fandom. Or maybe it was just the amazing chemistry between the actors, the way they communicated so well with looks and body language. Or it could have been the way Nick took care of Greg, the way he encouraged him in the field regardless of the fact that Greg shouldn't have been out there in the first place.
Regardless of the reason, after that I was hooked. But I still didn't want to write them, because I already had about eight active fandoms and a ton of unfinished projects and I was in the middle of helping to plan and put together my sister's wedding, and the last thing I needed was another distraction. I didn't have time to learn a new pairing, and I'd already missed the first three seasons of the show, so it was pointless to try and get caught up.
I'd heard all the stories about the miserable lack of Nick/Greg fic on the internet, I'd seen the barely legible websites and while I didn't get the complete lack of Nick/Greg representation in a fandom as large as CSI, it just wasn't rare enough for me. Because they were grossly underrepresented as a pairing, sure, but they were still part of a huge, sprawling fandom.
Still, though, I caught old episodes of the show, and I started to read what little was out there in fandom, and I found myself thinking about their friendship. Before I could stop myself I had a timeline for their relationship in my head, complete with what little canon details I knew. I was thinking about what made them tick as characters, and just why they'd be so good together. But I still wasn't writing them.
At the time I was about to move from Washington D.C. to Colorado, and in between my sister's wedding plans I was trying to cram in the last of the touristy things you never get around to when you live in a tourist destination. So I was on my way to the Holocaust Museum, of all places, when out of nowhere, Nick and Greg started having a conversation in my head. It's really rare for me to start with dialogue and fill in around it, but that's exactly what they were giving me, so I wrote the entire conversation from start to finish in my notebook (never leave home without it) while my mom drove us downtown. And when I got home later that day, I fleshed out the details and my first CSI fic was born.
Since then I've written seventy-one (!) Nick/Greg fics, registered my first ever fannish domain (nickandgreg.com), and built an archive for what's probably the most obvious, and yet most underrepresented slash pairing in CSI fandom.
That's how I found myself at the center of the Nick/Greg contingent. Why I fell so hard for them is a little harder to define, but what it always comes down to is the characters and the way they work together. They're both science geeks, both think they're probably a little cooler than they are, both athletic and both of them are a long way from home. But even though they have the same frame of reference for a lot of things, they're completely different, and that's what makes them work so well.
Greg's loud and sort of brash, flirtatious and smart and he makes sure everyone knows exactly how smart he is. But he collects coins, too, and he has a strong relationship with his family even though they're back in California. He wants everyone to believe he's self-confident and fearless, but under all that he wants so badly to belong to the group, and there's a quietness about him that's really charming and very often overlooked.
Nick, meanwhile, is straight-laced and by-the-book, the naïve Texan who comes from a large, well-off family and probably spent most of his life fairly sheltered. It's easy when taking his character at face value to assume that he's kind of boring, a sometimes painfully vanilla pretty face who always wants to do the right thing and doesn't know how to have a good time. But Nick's a survivor of child sexual abuse (at the hands of a babysitter; "Overload", 2.03), and knowing that about him explains a lot about the reasons he's so eager to please and so reluctant to rock the boat.
Enter Greg, who rocks the boat just to watch the waves get higher. He's the kind of guy that would terrify Nick on a lot of levels, but once Nick gives in Greg's the best thing that could happen to him. He doesn't mean to fall in love with Greg; it just happens, and there's nothing either of them can do about it but go along for the ride.
Nick's got an enormous hero complex which drives him to try to save people who often don't want saving. It causes him to choose a lot of the wrong relationships, it probably drove him into law enforcement in the first place, it informs a lot of areas of his life (and is one of the things people [often unfairly] hate about him in canon). But with Greg there's no saving to do, because Greg can take care of himself. And while that's frustrating for Nick on a lot of levels, in the end it's good for him, because it forces him to see what a balanced relationship looks like.
They're very obviously friends onscreen, and while a lot of the CSIs tend to treat Greg like the annoying kid brother, Nick's generally the one who indulges him. There are so many little examples of this – possibly as many as there are little touches between the characters. Nick spends a lot of time with his hands on various parts of Greg's body, then there are the looks that pass between them and the way they seem so comfortable in one another's presence.
The evolution of their relationship is even more obvious in retrospect; in season one there's professional respect, a lot of flirting and some good-natured teasing on Greg's part when Nick gets himself involved with one of his projects (trying and failing to save Kristi the Hooker from herself). In season two the flirting turns up a notch or two, and while Greg's a little distracted by Sara, by the end of the season ("Chasing the Bus", "Stalker") he's right back to metaphorically pulling Nick's pigtails.
The chemistry between the actors (who are very close in real life) grows as the series grows, and it can't help translating to the characters. By the end of season three, when Greg's caught in the lab explosion ("Play With Fire", 3.22), there's also a subtle change in his character – he becomes more serious, more determined to get out in the field and away from the lab, and Nick is arguably the most supportive of that goal throughout the series (he first mentions it in "Scooba Doobie Doo", 2.05, before Greg ever brings it up).
Once we get to the beginning of season four their relationship has gone from flirting and dancing around the idea of a relationship to a comfort level with one another that implies what they mean to each other. Nick's the person Greg goes to when he's allowed out in the field alone for the first time, and Nick sits in Greg's lab and smiles while Greg tells him all about it ("All For Our Country", 4.02). It's a natural, quiet progression – the kind of thing that happens in workplace romances every day – and that's what makes it so believable.
They're friends, and while that's always been my preferred archetype when falling for a new pairing, with Nick and Greg the evolution from friends to lovers is so clear and vivid and heartache-y that I can't imagine not writing them. I can't imagine ever giving them up, because no matter how many fics I write there's always more to their story. They're a normal couple dealing with all the normal, everyday problems, balancing work and romance and family and just being who they are together, and because of that there will always be more to tell.
There are a lot of people out there who just don't see what I see when they look at Nick and Greg. That's the reason they've remained such a tiny part of CSI fandom, and while I don't understand it, that's okay with me. It's okay with Nick and Greg, too, because in the end they're not in it for the glory. They're happy just living their lives together.
If you want to read more about why Nick and Greg work so well, allow me to suggest a few of my favorite fics:
Of Un-Being and Being by
foggynite. I don't recommend this because she's one of my favorite authors of all time. I rec it because it's the best Greg I've ever read.
Artificial Colour and the Art of Flavour by
nekosmuse. This was written for me so I might be a little biased, but it's a perfect example of how playful and sweet this pairing is even when they're being really hot.
Not Available by
ullman. Nick's practical and Greg's a drippy romantic. It's very short and just really sweet, but it's also a perfect example of how well their differences complement each other.
Starts With O by
justmightbe. Because she's Jane, and she gets Greg in a way few people do.
In the Uncertain Hour by
zoemargaret. Into every relationship a little sinus congestion must fall. In other words, a beautiful celebration of the ordinariness of their lives.
This Apocalypse Ain't Kind by
goldatamera. I rec this one because Lise's writing is so stunning; it's not the best intro to Nick/Greg just because the backdrop makes it a little harder for a newbie to the fandom to follow, but even so this fic captures who they are and how they interact in a way that blows me away every time.
For fanvids, be sure to check out Striptease by
nekosmuse. (That and her other N/G vids can be found at that link).
And while you're at it, check out Absolutely Zero by
kevinkr and his even more fabulous Sunshine Superman. I have no idea how he does it, but it's brilliant.
Much, much more can be found at my Nick/Greg archive: What Makes the Desert Beautiful. If you're looking for more photographic evidence, be sure to check out the screen captures section of the site.
And if you want to read my fic, you can find it all here.
LJ Comms:
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Author: Caroline
Spoilers: through season four
Email: carolinecrane at yahoo.com

Accidentally In Love: On Why I Slash Nick and Greg
I'm a rareslash writer. For nearly as long as I've been in fandom, that's how I've defined myself. So about a year and a half ago, when a friend mentioned a really slashy pairing on That Crime Show My Mom Loves, I laughed it off. Because I didn't do mainstream fandoms, and I certainly didn't write crimeslash.
So I went back to my rare fandoms and I told myself I didn't need another pairing, and certainly not a network TV pairing. Then one Thursday during rerun season, I happened to catch an episode of CSI. I'd seen the show once or twice, but I'd never really paid any attention before, so I didn't expect to be swayed by this pairing my friend claimed was so fantastic and so completely underappreciated in fandom.
As luck would have it, the episode I caught was "Chasing the Bus" (2.18).
To this day that episode (for all it's been overplayed) remains a sentimental favorite for me, not just because it's the episode that really made me fall in love with CSI, but because it's the episode that showed me just what Nick and Greg could be. Maybe because the first time I saw them interact they were out of the lab, I saw more than just the caricature of 'Greg the Lab Rat', as he's so often painted in fandom. Or maybe it was just the amazing chemistry between the actors, the way they communicated so well with looks and body language. Or it could have been the way Nick took care of Greg, the way he encouraged him in the field regardless of the fact that Greg shouldn't have been out there in the first place.
Regardless of the reason, after that I was hooked. But I still didn't want to write them, because I already had about eight active fandoms and a ton of unfinished projects and I was in the middle of helping to plan and put together my sister's wedding, and the last thing I needed was another distraction. I didn't have time to learn a new pairing, and I'd already missed the first three seasons of the show, so it was pointless to try and get caught up.
I'd heard all the stories about the miserable lack of Nick/Greg fic on the internet, I'd seen the barely legible websites and while I didn't get the complete lack of Nick/Greg representation in a fandom as large as CSI, it just wasn't rare enough for me. Because they were grossly underrepresented as a pairing, sure, but they were still part of a huge, sprawling fandom.
Still, though, I caught old episodes of the show, and I started to read what little was out there in fandom, and I found myself thinking about their friendship. Before I could stop myself I had a timeline for their relationship in my head, complete with what little canon details I knew. I was thinking about what made them tick as characters, and just why they'd be so good together. But I still wasn't writing them.
At the time I was about to move from Washington D.C. to Colorado, and in between my sister's wedding plans I was trying to cram in the last of the touristy things you never get around to when you live in a tourist destination. So I was on my way to the Holocaust Museum, of all places, when out of nowhere, Nick and Greg started having a conversation in my head. It's really rare for me to start with dialogue and fill in around it, but that's exactly what they were giving me, so I wrote the entire conversation from start to finish in my notebook (never leave home without it) while my mom drove us downtown. And when I got home later that day, I fleshed out the details and my first CSI fic was born.
Since then I've written seventy-one (!) Nick/Greg fics, registered my first ever fannish domain (nickandgreg.com), and built an archive for what's probably the most obvious, and yet most underrepresented slash pairing in CSI fandom.
That's how I found myself at the center of the Nick/Greg contingent. Why I fell so hard for them is a little harder to define, but what it always comes down to is the characters and the way they work together. They're both science geeks, both think they're probably a little cooler than they are, both athletic and both of them are a long way from home. But even though they have the same frame of reference for a lot of things, they're completely different, and that's what makes them work so well.
Greg's loud and sort of brash, flirtatious and smart and he makes sure everyone knows exactly how smart he is. But he collects coins, too, and he has a strong relationship with his family even though they're back in California. He wants everyone to believe he's self-confident and fearless, but under all that he wants so badly to belong to the group, and there's a quietness about him that's really charming and very often overlooked.
Nick, meanwhile, is straight-laced and by-the-book, the naïve Texan who comes from a large, well-off family and probably spent most of his life fairly sheltered. It's easy when taking his character at face value to assume that he's kind of boring, a sometimes painfully vanilla pretty face who always wants to do the right thing and doesn't know how to have a good time. But Nick's a survivor of child sexual abuse (at the hands of a babysitter; "Overload", 2.03), and knowing that about him explains a lot about the reasons he's so eager to please and so reluctant to rock the boat.
Enter Greg, who rocks the boat just to watch the waves get higher. He's the kind of guy that would terrify Nick on a lot of levels, but once Nick gives in Greg's the best thing that could happen to him. He doesn't mean to fall in love with Greg; it just happens, and there's nothing either of them can do about it but go along for the ride.
Nick's got an enormous hero complex which drives him to try to save people who often don't want saving. It causes him to choose a lot of the wrong relationships, it probably drove him into law enforcement in the first place, it informs a lot of areas of his life (and is one of the things people [often unfairly] hate about him in canon). But with Greg there's no saving to do, because Greg can take care of himself. And while that's frustrating for Nick on a lot of levels, in the end it's good for him, because it forces him to see what a balanced relationship looks like.
They're very obviously friends onscreen, and while a lot of the CSIs tend to treat Greg like the annoying kid brother, Nick's generally the one who indulges him. There are so many little examples of this – possibly as many as there are little touches between the characters. Nick spends a lot of time with his hands on various parts of Greg's body, then there are the looks that pass between them and the way they seem so comfortable in one another's presence.
The evolution of their relationship is even more obvious in retrospect; in season one there's professional respect, a lot of flirting and some good-natured teasing on Greg's part when Nick gets himself involved with one of his projects (trying and failing to save Kristi the Hooker from herself). In season two the flirting turns up a notch or two, and while Greg's a little distracted by Sara, by the end of the season ("Chasing the Bus", "Stalker") he's right back to metaphorically pulling Nick's pigtails.
The chemistry between the actors (who are very close in real life) grows as the series grows, and it can't help translating to the characters. By the end of season three, when Greg's caught in the lab explosion ("Play With Fire", 3.22), there's also a subtle change in his character – he becomes more serious, more determined to get out in the field and away from the lab, and Nick is arguably the most supportive of that goal throughout the series (he first mentions it in "Scooba Doobie Doo", 2.05, before Greg ever brings it up).
Once we get to the beginning of season four their relationship has gone from flirting and dancing around the idea of a relationship to a comfort level with one another that implies what they mean to each other. Nick's the person Greg goes to when he's allowed out in the field alone for the first time, and Nick sits in Greg's lab and smiles while Greg tells him all about it ("All For Our Country", 4.02). It's a natural, quiet progression – the kind of thing that happens in workplace romances every day – and that's what makes it so believable.
They're friends, and while that's always been my preferred archetype when falling for a new pairing, with Nick and Greg the evolution from friends to lovers is so clear and vivid and heartache-y that I can't imagine not writing them. I can't imagine ever giving them up, because no matter how many fics I write there's always more to their story. They're a normal couple dealing with all the normal, everyday problems, balancing work and romance and family and just being who they are together, and because of that there will always be more to tell.
There are a lot of people out there who just don't see what I see when they look at Nick and Greg. That's the reason they've remained such a tiny part of CSI fandom, and while I don't understand it, that's okay with me. It's okay with Nick and Greg, too, because in the end they're not in it for the glory. They're happy just living their lives together.
If you want to read more about why Nick and Greg work so well, allow me to suggest a few of my favorite fics:
Of Un-Being and Being by
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Artificial Colour and the Art of Flavour by
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Not Available by
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Starts With O by
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In the Uncertain Hour by
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This Apocalypse Ain't Kind by
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For fanvids, be sure to check out Striptease by
![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
And while you're at it, check out Absolutely Zero by
![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
Much, much more can be found at my Nick/Greg archive: What Makes the Desert Beautiful. If you're looking for more photographic evidence, be sure to check out the screen captures section of the site.
And if you want to read my fic, you can find it all here.
LJ Comms:
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Date: 2004-08-30 06:31 am (UTC)Yes yes yes!
Lovely, lovely essay Caroline. Greg is so the best thing to ever happen to Nick. *g*
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Date: 2004-08-30 11:43 am (UTC)I love Nick/Greg done right, and boy, do you do it.
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Date: 2004-08-30 01:48 pm (UTC)I have so much love for this pairing, even now, when I'm not feeling it all that much, because that doesn't mean it's not there anymore. And reading this felt like coming home. Which probably sounds weird, but thank you any way :)
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Date: 2004-08-30 02:59 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-08-30 02:53 pm (UTC)They're happy just living their lives together.
Perfect.
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Date: 2004-08-30 02:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-08-30 05:19 pm (UTC)This was perfect on so many different levels.
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Date: 2004-08-30 09:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-08-30 07:25 pm (UTC)Now some might easily slip into the thought I only say this, because you recced my video, but.. though this definitely deserves hugs galore it's not the ultimate reason for my praise.
The reason is that your essay is everything and more of what I wish the whole world could see in and feel about one of the most perfect pairings on television.
And I know I'm probably blowing this out of proportion, because they're still just characters, but that's what you get, when you combine an overall melancholy and Vienna Teng.
Anyway, I can't get past the fact that through all the shivers, that went up and down my spine while reading, I never felt a stronger desire for finally seeing something as fleshed out as this on screen one day and since this is probably the weirdest thought I ever shared, I will stop right there, because if the sentence gets any longer, no one will ever understand what I wanted to say with this piece of grammar-beating havoc in the first place.
Thank you for writing this.
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Date: 2004-08-30 09:38 pm (UTC)Thank you, I appreciate you reading and letting me know what you thought. And of course, you do them such justice with your vids that coming from you it means even more.
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Date: 2004-11-27 07:04 pm (UTC)The second vid that
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Date: 2004-11-27 08:45 pm (UTC)Sunshine Superman (http://s14.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=B793F6D34AFDF66718A61A756D818FE2)
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Date: 2005-05-30 07:17 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-08-30 08:37 pm (UTC)Hey,
Really cool essay. Interestingly, the "Chasing the Bus" ep was the first CSI I watched, myself (although I'd been made aware of the fandom by you at that time, so I was looking for the two of them vibing all slashy). I still think Nick should have given Greg his jacket when Greg was shivering, though!
I agree with pretty much everything you say here. And I may have to
stealer, borrow some of the pics!Wirrrn!
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Date: 2004-08-30 09:39 pm (UTC)Help yourself to the pictures, I stole them all from my website so you're welcome to them.
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Date: 2004-08-31 01:20 am (UTC)Hey,
I know, every time I watch the episode I yell 'give him your coat, you unchivalrous bastard' like the big geek I am.
-I was right there doing the same thing, so geek me up. That sequence in the desert at night-time was also the catalyst for my fic "VISIBLE MAN". I'm currently doing one based on the one with Ctaherine getting kidnapped by the guy with the lawyer in the bunny suit (!) only it's Greg that gets napped...
Gav!
But it's a good intro to Nick/Greg, as episodes go, so it's nice that it's the first one you got to see.
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Date: 2004-08-31 12:03 pm (UTC)And, let me say it now that I am in love with your writing. I've been watching CSI like mad all summer long and then I hopped into the writing fandom of it and I've always just thought that Nick/Greg just makes sense.
Anyway, the point is, I've been reading all your stuff over at nickandgreg.com ... and I love it all. You're writing is so gorgeous and you just capture their relationship perfectly. Excellent job, you truly have a talent.
XD
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Date: 2004-08-31 03:18 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-09-03 01:53 pm (UTC)Anyway, I'm glad you reminded me of this again with your latest post because I've read it now.
I've said this before but I really couldn't see it in the beginning. I wanted to. I really did, I'm a slash whore at heart and anything that feeds my kink is better than mainlining (although I admit that's one vice I can only speculate about!)
One of the things that struck me the most about what you said was about how Nick can appear so pretty but boring on the surface. I can't remember the episode now, but it's the one where he takes off his shirt in the locker room and Sara makes a comment about both Warrick and him and I turned to
He's a perfect foil for Greg on the surface; underneath they aren't that different I don't think, at least not in the 'going an extra mile for those they think are worth it' stakes. And I think that Greg might be a tad more comfortable appearing vulnerable, even in front of those people he trusts but doesn't wish to lose face with, but not as willing to jump into the fray for just anyone simply because they need it, like our friend Mr Stokes would. Ok, shit, I know I'm rambling now but for a while there I didn't exactly forget why I love these two together but didn't really have time to let it out to play, you know?
It was after seeing Scooba Doobie Doo that the thing happened for me; that click that let me know there was a whistle going on and it wasn't only pitched for dogs at all. Nor was it only in black and white, it was in glorious multicolour and I once again turned to
I love your examples of all the boy touching/looking but it begs the question: Is this a pitch and hit kind of courtship? With Greg as the pursuer who throws meaningful looks whilst Nick happily catches them with a well placed mit?
But friendship; I heartily agree they are friends and in my experience this is the best foundation for a lasting loving relationship for anyone. But here it takes me to happy places because I love the thought of a same sex male relationship with longevity, the possibility of which, is all too often overlooked in all types of media and real life.
It's the kind of
canonsubtexty relationship that not only lends itself to highly believable fic for those who are so inclined but it, as you yourself have shown in the Subtext Reports, appears so seamless that it is never difficult to fill in the off camera blanks.I don't know if you could honestly call what you've written an unbiased essay but then you don't cliam it as such and it works for me;it's certainly a wonderful tribute to them and I love how you love them as much as I love them.
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Date: 2004-09-03 04:45 pm (UTC)As for your question about the balance of their courtship, I would argue that there are as many looks on Nick's side as there are on Greg's. Nick's the one who does most of the touching and leaning into personal space, and there are also moments like this one (http://www.nickandgreg.com/s2_08.jpg) where he's looking in on Greg when Greg isn't even aware that he's there.
It's definitely a balanced relationship, at least the way I read it. I think the difference comes in with the fact that Nick's more apt to follow the rules and therefore would be more reticent to get involved with a coworker, particularly a male one, for fear of what would happen if/when anyone at work found out. Plus, he's an ex-cop and there's a lot of stigma associated with that in the U.S. But I've covered all that in my fic so I'm telling you stuff you already know.
As for the bias of the essay, that was the point, at least as I understood it. The questions given were really geared toward a personal approach to the pairing, explaining what they mean to you specifically and why you fell in love with them/believe in them. So it couldn't be unbiased, but I think that's true when discussing any ship/fandom allegiance.
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Date: 2004-09-03 06:09 pm (UTC)I'm not sure I agree with this. Oh, Greg doesn't have Nick's "white knight" tendencies for sure, but he's really not comfortable appearing vulnerable. I'm thinking specifically of Inside the Box (Season 3 finale) here, since I saw it yesterday; Greg tries to pretend that his hands aren't shaking to the point of denying it to Grissom's face. It's not that his normal brashness is hiding insecurity, or at least not much, but this was something important that could have affected his job and he went straight into denial with it. Much like Grissom did with his hearing, and I could have slapped the man for telling Greg that it would just go away. That strategy worked so well for him after all.
Of course the writers promptly dropped the ball with this in the new season, but there you go. Watching Greg develop coping strategies could have been interested, but no, everything just magically worked itself out in the off-season.
(PS: sorry for not contributing earlier Caroline, but I don't actually watch
ship_manifesto as such. Also you said everything :-)
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Date: 2004-09-03 02:17 pm (UTC)And being the Greg fan I am...
He wants everyone to believe he's self-confident and fearless, but under all that he wants so badly to belong to the group, and there's a quietness about him that's really charming and very often overlooked.
That is so true... I've read so many fanfics in which Greg's described as some selfish, whining toddler. That's so annoying... >_<
Anyway... love this, loved reading it. Made me smile all the way. :3
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Date: 2004-09-03 02:42 pm (UTC)Your essay was wonderfully written, and I found myself nodding my head as I read it. Of course, there wasn't much that surprised me, I'm pretty familiar with your feelings/opinions about Nick and Greg from your fiction and your lj. But thank you for sharing this with a larger audience. And thank you for the fic recommendations, I will make good use of them when I have a bit more time.
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Date: 2004-09-03 03:09 pm (UTC)Little side note: I'd of used a Nick/Greg icon but I'm still waiting for my paid account. ::pout::
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Date: 2004-09-03 03:18 pm (UTC)for what's probably the most obvious, and yet most underrepresented slash pairing in CSI fandom.
Exactly.
You pointed everything out that I love about this pairing and more. Kudos.
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Date: 2004-09-03 03:33 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-09-03 04:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-09-03 05:24 pm (UTC)I think you've managed to warm the cockles of my twisted little heart and remind me why I should finish those two fics that have been sitting around, and yeah.
i may even watch season five...
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Date: 2004-09-03 09:32 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-09-05 02:41 am (UTC)You are just so on. This articulates everything we feel about our 'ship, but some of us (okay, me) are unable to say so well. And as you are the Queen of N/G, who better to explain to the world?
I love essays and am so bookmarking this.
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Date: 2004-09-06 10:46 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-09-07 06:06 pm (UTC)I also get laughed at for my occasional squeals about looks and touches (or theories, like in "Turning the Screw(s)" when Nick and Greg arrive late at the scene because of a traffic jam caused by a truck).
It's a great essay.. I really wonder which turn their relationship will take in the coming season.
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Date: 2004-11-27 05:40 pm (UTC)It's okay with Nick and Greg, too, because in the end they're not in it for the glory. They're happy just living their lives together.
That was stellar.
Also, "Chasing the Bus" was the first ep I had seen when I was visiting family in India. My mom ADORED this show so she asked me to watch it because also I wasn't scientific, she said that "the issues and the character development" would appeal to my mind. True enough, it did. I just wrote my first piece of fanfic which was angsty Nick/Greg, and am a diehard CSI fan.
In addition, my mother's conservative, but when were were watching that ep, she watched when Nick was comforting Greg and suddenly wanted to mention that Greg had a huge crush on Sarah. I thought that was funny.
I loved this essay. It's being put in memories.
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Date: 2004-11-27 08:46 pm (UTC)And thanks, I'm glad this rang true for you.
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Date: 2005-02-01 01:51 pm (UTC)This essay is really really great....
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Date: 2005-03-21 03:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-10-26 01:33 pm (UTC)One interesting fact: George and Eric actually live together. (I hope my source is right though...)
*puts in memories*
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Date: 2005-11-14 09:43 am (UTC)And I'll just stick the rest of my comments here as I got to this like a YEAR late (sorry about that). As I have commented many times on many of your fics Caroline, I'd just like to say that this essay is just as well written as any of your fics. I actually squee'd and yelled 'yes! exactly!' a number of times.
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Date: 2005-11-14 01:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-11-14 07:19 pm (UTC)Still, everyday I find it harder and harder to believe that George is straight.
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Date: 2005-11-14 01:28 pm (UTC)All of the above is purely speculation, of course. I'm just spreading rumors. But you can do with them whatever you will.