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Title: Not Time's Fool
Author: Raven
Spoilers: All the books.
Email: loneraven[at]livejournal[dot]com
Personal website: Sleeping With Ghosts
Notes: I apologise for the lateness.

This pairing is het, cross-gen, involves a certain amount of teacher/student potential squickiness, and yet somehow is one that I am genuinely fond of. As a brief aside about me, I’ve been a fan of Harry Potter for coming up on eight years and part of the online fandom for three. I adore both Remus and Hermione, generally shipping them with other characters (Sirius and Ron respectively), but this pairing holds real appeal for me because of a certain natural simplicity. Two characters, both of whom have often been relegated to the status of helpfully intelligent sidekick, who could easily drift together. I’ve always been intrigued as to why the pairing doesn’t have a bigger following, especially compared to the ever-popular Snape/Hermione (which shares several features with it), but that’s one question I’m not going to attempt to answer here. Instead, I’m just going to launch myself into trying to explain the source of that appeal and show something of the sweetness of this particular OTP.

The stranger was wearing an extremely shabby set of wizard’s robes which had been darned in several places. He looked ill and exhausted. Though quite young, his light-brown hair was flecked with grey.
“Who’d you reckon he is?” Ron hissed, as they sat down and slid the door shut.
“Professor R. J. Lupin,” whispered Hermione at once.


-page 59, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban

She’s right, of course. This is Remus John Lupin, werewolf, wizard, teacher, member of the Order of the Phoenix and beloved by a huge proportion of the Harry Potter fandom. We know surprisingly little about him, all things considered, but what we do know of his life is undoubtedly tragic. Bitten by a werewolf as a small child and turned into one himself, it was uncertain as to whether or not he would go to Hogwarts until Dumbledore became headmaster. When he did arrive, he was driven to keep his secret until the other three Marauders, James Potter, Sirius Black and Peter Pettigrew worked it out for themselves. They became Animagi for him, giving him seven years of relative freedom and happiness. When they left school, all four of them were in the Order of the Phoenix, until Peter’s betrayal, the Potters’ deaths and the incarceration of Sirius Black. Nothing more is known of what happened to him until his arrival at Hogwarts twelve years later to serve as Defence Against the Dark Arts teacher.

From this and other canon we can extrapolate that Remus is intelligent, a little world-weary, an excellent teacher, occasionally cowardly (in the words of JK Rowling herself, he wants to be liked) and cares deeply for both Sirius and Harry. He is also, by the time of the events of Prisoner of Azkaban, thirty-five years old.

Now we come to Hermione Granger. Born to Muggle parents (who are dentists and somewhat wary of the wizarding world) she had heard nothing of magic before receiving her Hogwarts letter. She is exceptionally bright, rather bossy, has uncontrollably frizzy hair and has been friends with Harry and Ron since an incident with a troll in her first year. Considering she is only fourteen by PoA, it is not surprising she has a lot less backstory than Remus.

The first time they meet, as related above, is on the Hogwarts Express at the beginning of Hermione’s third year. Within moments, Hermione shows herself to be a step ahead where Lupin is concerned, a trend that will continue throughout the year. Working from this canon interaction towards a romantic relationship is understandably difficult; there are only a sprinkling of moments that could be construed as evidence in favour of it.

The first time we see Lupin and Hermione together for any length of time is during the first lesson with the Boggart, and the teacher/student relationship is well entrenched. Her interest in Lupin is natural at this stage; he is the third Defence Against the Dark Arts teacher she has had, and would be hard-pressed to be worse than the other two. Hermione’s nature is to accept the authority of her teachers – she defends Snape throughout the five books for this reason – but not necessarily to like them. But Hermione’s relationship with Lupin is already more complicated; as well as being his student, she becomes a keeper of his secret. This further development allows for a certain interpretation, as we shall see.

“I DON’T BELIEVE IT!” Hermione screamed.
Lupin let go of Black and turned to her. She had raised herself off the floor and was pointing at Lupin, wild-eyed. “You – you –”
“Hermione-”
“- you and him!”
“Hermione, calm down-”
“I didn’t tell anyone!” Hermione shrieked. “I’ve been covering up for you-”


-page 253, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban

And I ask one question – why? Why is Hermione covering up for him? She’s known since at least Christmas that he is a werewolf, and although we discover at this point in the story that werewolves are in no way inherently bad, Hermione had no immediate way of knowing this when she made her discovery. As we are beginning to find out, the prejudice against werewolves is deeply ingrained among wizards and witches and if she has heard anything about them, it’s unlikely to be positive.

Moreover, Hermione told Professor McGonagall about the Firebolt knowing it would cost her a severe disagreement with Harry and Ron, all in the interests of Harry’s safety. Having discovered there is a werewolf in school, a significant danger to Harry’s safety, why did she cover up for Lupin? Extrapolating from her earlier behaviour, her natural response would be to tell Professor McGonagall about this too. Instead, she keeps her silence.

One plausible answer may be summed up in a few words – she has a crush. There is a clear precedent when we look at her tendency to defend Gilderoy Lockhart at every turn; now, her silence is her way of defending Lupin. One might argue that Harry and Ron were well aware of her crush on Lockhart but do not consider she might feel the same way about Lupin, but Hermione is older now; the year before, she learnt the hard way that fancying a teacher can be embarrassing, and makes an effort to hide it.

But why might she have a crush? And why him?

Hermione was talking very earnestly to Lupin about her view of elf rights.
“I mean, it’s the same kind of nonsense as werewolf segregation, isn’t it? It all stems from this horrible thing wizards have of thinking they’re superior to other creatures...”


-page 155, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

It’s a shame we never got to hear what he said in reply to that, because it could well be said that Remus is Hermione’s intellectual equal in a way neither Harry or Ron can be. Over and over in the canon, we see their impatience with her endless quest for learning, and Ron in particular cannot understand her motivations behind it. You could argue that some of Hermione’s frantic study is because of her desire to prove she is the equal of the pureblood wizards and witches (an interesting example is the way she reads all the set texts before even arriving at Hogwarts, just to make sure she isn’t behind anyone else) but it seems more than plausible that her hard work is coupled with genuine intellectual curiosity.

And again unlike Harry and Ron, Remus is in a position to understand both of these motivations. He is clearly extremely intelligent and well-informed, qualified to teach and he remains a member of the Order of the Phoenix, and yet we know for a fact that he spent at least two days out of every month unable to work or study for all the time he was at school. Even afterwards, his inability to keep a job does not seem to have dented his passion for teaching. Like Hermione, he has something to prove – that he can be good at what he does despite lacking the advantages of others. And also like Hermione, his intelligence manifests in genuine intellectual interest, and we see him communicate this interest to the third-years who love his lessons.

Add this to their shared experience of prejudice – Remus as a werewolf, Hermione as a Muggle-born witch – and the pairing seems ready to happen.

But there’s the squick factor. For one reason or another, some people wouldn’t touch this pairing with a ten-foot pole, and there is a significant lack of fic for it as a result. Why do people object so strongly?

Firstly, I would say the student/teacher relationship that underpins the majority of the canon Remus/Hermione interaction we have seen contributes to the squick factor. I have a sneaking sympathy for this view because above all, Remus is a good teacher. Many people, myself included, can’t see him letting go of his professionalism long enough to pursue a relationship with a pupil. There's also the fact he has more than enough reasons to worry about losing his job already, so a relationship within the time-setting of the canon seems unlikely. Of course, never say never – it has been done, and done well (check out Don’t Stand So Close To Me by [livejournal.com profile] setissma) – but this doesn’t seem like an unfair conclusion to make.

However, that doesn’t invalidate the idea of a relationship between them. Hermione won’t be at school forever, and once she comes of age and leaves Hogwarts, Remus no longer has a conflict of interest to worry about. Some of the best fic depicting the two of them together has been written in this time period – Hermione having left school is free to pursue a relationship with anyone she chooses, and she chooses Remus. A darker twist on this is to presuppose past relationships for Hermione and Remus (generally Ron and Sirius respectively) and write about the experience of shared grief after the second war.

There is a related issue, of course; that of the age gap. The difference between their ages is between twenty and twenty-one years, and this by itself is enough to put some people off. To which I would say if it squicks you it squicks you, but I would invite you to consider for a moment if this is a real obstacle in a fandom where a couple with an age gap of eighty years are enthusiastically shipped, as are a poltergeist and giant squid. Less frivolously put, it’s only a deal-breaker if you let it be one. Which is not to say it should be ignored completely; addressed well, it can be an interesting issue in a fic, and another dimension to add to an already complex relationship.

It makes sense to mention another aspect of Remus/Hermione fic here, though, and that’s the oft-used device of time travel. It is of course canonical – Hermione’s Time Turner more or less resolves the plot of PoA – and there is more than one fic involving Hermione going back to the time of the Marauders and embarking on a relationship with Remus at a point where they are both the same age. I sometimes question the wisdom of this – surely if an author really thinks they work as a couple, a deus ex machina because of the age difference is unnecessary – but these fics can work, sometimes very well, particularly when the time travel is an integral and carefully considered part of the plot. The best example is probably Casira’s In The Turning, a multi-layered story that really delivers on this idea.

Because of the slim canon interaction and the many obstacles to writing the pairing, it’s often done badly. But I think when it’s done well, it’s done very well; a writer who can keep the two characters true to the Remus and Hermione that we know and still write a convincing relationship between them tends to be a good writer. Consequently, there are some real gems among the fandom. In conclusion, yes, this is difficult to write and indeed to get your head around. But done well, it can be challenging, thought-provoking, fluffy, angsty, dark and hot. Often all at the same time. And in a fandom that ships cephalopods, this can only be a good thing.

Fics

As stated before, there is surprisingly little good stuff out there. That said, I have high standards. That said, there are some gems:

Crush by [livejournal.com profile] musesfool (unrequited love at Hogwarts; sweet and wonderfully plausible)

Niobe by [livejournal.com profile] musesfool (the anthithesis of the above; angsty and darkly hot)

Don't Stand So Close To Me by [livejournal.com profile] setissma (the classic teacher/student story)

Anchors by [livejournal.com profile] auburn_crimson (post-acpocalyptic and original)

In The Turning by [livejournal.com profile] casirafics (time travel, romance, war - hard to explain but beautifully written)

Love Is Not Love (my own take on the pairing)

And I also recommend [livejournal.com profile] remus_hermione for more recs and discussion. I'm going to finish by wishing a very happy birthday to Remus J. Lupin, and here's hoping it's 2005 and you're not dead!

Great Essay

Date: 2005-03-11 12:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] c00kie.livejournal.com
Remus/Hermione was one of the first pairings I searched for when I started to get into HP Fanfic, and I have to say I still have a soft spot in my heart for it.

So I thank you for this essay. I never understood exactly why the pairing wasn't as popular as it should be. Odd that.

*goes off to read the recs*

Date: 2005-03-11 01:17 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] musesfool.livejournal.com
Lovely essay about a ship that doesn't get near enough attention, and thanks for the plug!

Date: 2005-03-11 03:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unravelingsky.livejournal.com
I agree, I'm unable to comprehend how Snape/Hermione is so popular while Remus/Hermione isn't. I don't remember how this ship began to appeal to me, but i love it. You did a wonderful explanation of all the things that make Hermione/Remus plausible.

Date: 2005-03-11 06:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prettyveela.livejournal.com
I think this hit it on the head:

Remus is a good teacher. Many people, myself included, can’t see him letting go of his professionalism long enough to pursue a relationship with a pupil.

Remus had been through so much already, it's hard for some to picture him getting a chance to teach again and giving up the opportunity to show that not all werewolves are bad to the wizarding society who's against his kind.

Also, the main reason I hear is that Remus is kinda the young Dumbledore of the fandom. He's a father figure, an advice giver, and the one everyone admires and respects. Snape/Hermione on the other hand, makes more "sense" if you will, because dare I say it, I could see Snape doing such a naughty thing.

I don't ship either pairing, but this was a great essay [livejournal.com profile] loneraven!

Date: 2005-03-11 10:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ter369.livejournal.com
Great character analysis. In The Turning is one of my favorite Potterverse stories, too.

Date: 2005-03-12 03:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tesseract-5.livejournal.com
great essay, I'm off to plug this at [livejournal.com profile] remus_hermione

this pairing has such an inherant sterotype of "hot for teacher", however, IRL I have know a couple student/teacher relationships that were mutual, initiated by the student, and had ok endings. Likewise, I'm sure there's far too many similar circumstances that are not ok at all.

However, as everyone on fandom keeps insisting, keep an open mind about kinks, and don't read stuff that squicks you.

I must admit that this was the first pairing I fell for that was outside of the usual ones.

Date: 2005-03-12 03:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hermione-lupin.livejournal.com

Brilliant essay.

It too seemed very natural to me from the get-go. I think part of its appeal, be it subconscious or otherwise, is the same sort of mystery and tragedy that underlies the true story of Alice Liddell, of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland fame, and the Oxford don who wrote it, Charles Dodgson, (penname: Lewis Carroll). We know in hindsight that he deeply favoured Alice for her shared love of the same sorts of intellectual games, riddles, and pursuits as he -- and coupled with her precociousness and more than a tinge of audacity, (she didn't quite carry herself as a little girl; she was very knowing due to her keen perception) he was enchanted by her. Of course, he didn't express it until she was of marriageable age. History tells us that something went horribly wrong with the family causing great estrangment. She married another, and later had a child whose given name is strangely reminiscent of her beloved childhood companion.

This is the same sort of bittersweet 'soul' companionship that I see underlying the interaction between Remus and Hermione. I'd be surprised if Rowling herself, being English, hasn't had it pop to mind herself.

Date: 2005-03-12 12:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] idrilarn.livejournal.com
Good point, H_L. I myself would like to add my astonishment that many people see a Snape/Hermione relationship to be more feasible than a Remus/Hermione relationship. This, according to most, is because Remus, at least in the books, is seen as a Father-Figure, a warm-hearted doormat of sorts. Which he is most completely NOT. Anyway, he is (unfortunately) also seen to be of the Homosexual orientation, due to his interaction with Sirius Black in both the books and the movies. This is possible, but i do not strongly support it. ANYWAYS, what I do know is that the SS/HG ship is completely LESS likely than the RL/HG ship because:

1)They completely dislike one another. I could not see hermione getting over the taunting and teasing.
2) Snape is a greasy git. Hermione needs someone kind and sensitive to whom she can relate her feelings and thoughts.(i.e. Remus)
3) Snape also wouldn't listen to her if his life depended on it. If she had a theory about something, he would most likely put her down and possibly take the idea for his own. Remus on the other hand, would gently encourage and support her to delve deeper into the idea and see it as a possibility.

A few on a long list.


P.S. TIME.TURNER.FICS.PISS.ME.OFF!

Date: 2005-03-12 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hermione-lupin.livejournal.com

... This baffles me. WHY Snape? He's merely intrigued by those who can run circles around him mentally, and they are very, very few. You're absolutely right in that he wouldn't give her the time of day. Seems more of a fantasy, last-resort pairing to me.

The homosexual theories bug the crap out of me, too. How myopic. There's nothing to support it, and a greater likelihood that he isn't. I agree in that he isn't a warm-hearted doormat, either. He's fascinating because of his internal dichotomy: the beast within the calm exterior. How cool is that?

Good thoughts. I guess, in my migraine-addled state, all I can say is: I agree.

Date: 2005-03-13 02:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] idrilarn.livejournal.com
Yeah the beast-within-a-man thing is really cool.
I guess you could say that remus is a walking,talking paradox.

Date: 2005-03-13 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] biting-moopie.livejournal.com
Well, I can't speak for others of course, but I love "enemy pairings" (for want of a better term) because it's fun to read about two people who start out disliking each other, then find out that they have a lot in common after all. When a pairing contains two people who are already friends, the jump from friends to lovers can be rather obvious and a little too "easy" (again, for want of a better term). It's less interesting to me because the foundations for a romantic relationship are already there. I prefer to read about relationships that have to be built from scratch (although I'll give almost any kind of fic a try).

"Enemy" pairings are in one sense a lot more challenging to write, because the author has to do a lot of work to convince the reader that yes, these two people don't hate each other any more. When the author doesn't do that, it makes for an unsatisfying read and you're left thinking "no way, that would never happen!". Just to clarify - I don't mean that people who write enemy pairings work harder or put more effort into writing than those who don't. I mean that it's easier to accept two people as lovers if they were already friends.

Finally, "enemy" pairings are popular because they're damn hot. :D

Moopie

Date: 2005-03-12 11:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maddyriddle.livejournal.com
I'm a shipper of both, Severus/Hermione and Remus/Hermione. I don't dwell too much in the canon posibility of them happening and I enjoy reading both. The fact that it will take good writers to convince someone about the pairings make the fics better and well written (of course, there are lots of bad fics too, unfortunately).

I do wonder why there's not too many Remus/Hermione fics.

Date: 2005-03-13 07:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pathstotread.livejournal.com
This is a wonderful essay. Ron/Hermione is my personal OTP, but I've said several times that the only other man I'd want her with would be Lupin. I think you've made a wonderful case for this pairing, and I'll be adding this post to my memories.

Also, if I may, one of my favorite Remus/Hermione fics that I didn't see listed here.
The Winter the War Ended (http://www.livejournal.com/users/yahtzee63/127040.html) by [livejournal.com profile] yahtzee63

Aaaand I was just about to rec you back to yourself with "Love Is Not Love". It's a good thing I checked your post again before I hit "post comment." (By the by, I love that fic.)

Date: 2005-03-13 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] biting-moopie.livejournal.com
This is an excellent essay. I've also wondered why there aren't more fics featuring these two, they certainly go very well together. You've done a great job explaining why this is such a fun pairing.

Just to let you know, McKay has written a few RL/HG fics, you can find them at her site, Chocolate Frog (http://remembrall.slashcity.net/). "Bloody Brilliant" is in Remus/Other section, "An Unexpected Guest" and "Eye of the Beholder" are in HP Drabbles, and "Twice as Nice" in Threesomes.

The only other fic that comes to mind is "Stone Cold Sober", by Fabula Rasa (http://fabularasa.arithmancy.net/hp.htm). This is actually a Severus/Sirius fic, but it does contain a fair amount Hermione/Remus.

Thanks for sharing this essay!

:) Moopie

Date: 2005-03-16 12:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chasedestructo.livejournal.com
Loved your essay!

Very informative. I can't understand why there isn't more of this paring featured fic out there either *scowl* They just go so well together damnit.

Personally I love this paring the most (my other ship being Sirius/Hermione) so its very refreshing to see that there are others that feel the same as me out there *g* Thanks;)

Date: 2005-04-20 10:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilka.livejournal.com
Whee! *cheerleads for you and Hermione/Remus*

I didn't realise I was so far behind with this community...

Loved it

Date: 2006-08-29 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neko-mitsuko.livejournal.com
Here here -pumps fist in air enthusiastically- well I'm both a RL/HG and SS/HG shipper but lean more towards RL/HG because like others have said it is more feasible and there are way more similarities between Remus and Hermione than there are between Hermione and Severus that would make them a great couple 'that could be argued against though.' Hmm seems I have nothing else to say so bye.
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Date: 2007-07-18 10:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qing-yun.livejournal.com
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