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Title: The Forgotten Ship: Neville Longbottom/Hermione Granger
Author: darth_gojira
Word Count:~3,000
Fandom: Harry Potter
Pairing: Neville Longbotton/Hermione Granger
Spoilers: Books 1-7
Notes: I am assuming at least a passing familiarity with the book series and film adaptations

Neville/Hermione is an unusual ship. They are neither best friends nor worst enemies. It defies no barriers of age or sexual orientation. Indeed, it’s perfectly logical. Nonetheless, it waivers between the popular and the obscure. Likelihood is neither great nor nonexistent. Reactions range from delight to disgust to disbelief, but always surprise.

 

Neville Longbottom is a supporting character, and thus gets less pagetime than the lead character Harry Potter and his friend Ron Weasley. However, he is a developed character that grows and matures as the books go on. When we first see him, he is a clumsy, shy, preoccupied boy with a mischievous pet toad and a demanding grandmother. As the series goes on, we see more of him. He shows great bravery early on, fighting Crabbe and Goyle when Malfoy’s gang antagonizes Harry and Ron and even stands up to the main trio of Harry, Ron and Hermione. He honestly cares about his friends, being caught and sent to detention trying to save Ron and Harry from a trap, and trying to stop the trio from getting into trouble.

 

Neville is a sensitive person, showing empathy for even a spider when it is used as a guinea pig for dark magic. He visits his parents, trying in vain to communicate with them and keeping them in his heart. He is seldom violent except when he is confronted by insults and threats to his friends.

 

His misadventures and character development alternate throughout the series. Barty Crouch Jr, in his guise as Mad-Eye Moody, explains to Harry about Neville’s parents and their tragic madness after a fateful attack the same day Harry was orphaned. This subplot of Neville’s living up to his famous parents continues in Order of the Phoenix. He is fiercely proud and loyal to them, and show this same loyalty and pride in his friends over his own self. Even when beaten, broken, and threatened with death, he fights on, acting as Harry’s conscience at the critical moment.

 

His arc is complete in the last book, as he leads the resistance against Voldemort at Hogwarts, rejects an offer from Voldemort himself, and kills Voldemort’s pet snake Nagini, who had earlier killed Neville’s old enemy Snape.  His bravery, loyalty to his friends and beliefs, and defiance of all odds bring him full circle and fully worthy of his parents. The last we see of him is a teacher at Hogwarts years in the future, caring for the children of the trio and still friends with the trio although their paths have seperated. In a dubious interview, author JK Rowling pairs him off with Hannah Abbot, a quaternary character with little establishment.

 

We certainly see more of Hermione Granger, as she is one of Harry’s best friends. Her character is well-rounded and shows suprising twists and turns in character. She acts condescending to her friends, especially if she believes that they don’t put effort into their work.  However, she also shows great compassion, befriending Harry, Ron and Neville despite their unpopularity. She is a stickler for rules, but lies and bends rules when her friends are truly on the line. Like Neville, she is loyal and sensitive to others, and shows compassion for even loathsome characters like Kreacher or Snape.

 

While Neville suffers from low self-esteem, Hermione always has pride in her abilities and often cannot see eye-to-eye with others. She bosses around Harry and bickers with Ron, but underneath it all is her genuine concern. This empathy may have limits, like in the case of Hagrid’s bizarre friends, but it extends to those like centaurs, ordinary humans, and elves that are mistreated by the wizarding world. She helps found Dumbledore’s Army (later headed by her friends Neville, Ginny, and Luna) with Harry and Ron due to her concern with the vulnerability of the students and also founds S.P.E.W. due to her compassion towards House-Elves, even defying the magic that makes them loyal to their masters. Although Harry, Ron and her other friends may frustrate her, she never breaks their friendship.

 

Like Neville, she has expectations put on her due to her muggleborn heritage, but exceeds them, defying the racial bigotry of characters like Voldemort and Draco. She shows no guilt of her heritage, even declaring “mudblood and proud of it” against the oppression. She is not a central character, but she is vital to Harry’s story, acting as adviser and comrade. She takes charge, and enjoys it, imposing what she thinks is the best for everyone. Although there is tension between her and her friends about her demands and theories, they always reconcile and stay loyal.

 

Evidence for NL/HG first surfaced in Philosopher’s Stone, where Neville and Hermione became friends before both became part of Harry’s circle. It was while searching for Neville’s toad Trevor that Hermione met Ron and Harry. Lesser incidents include: Neville and Hermione both showing ineptitude in flying brooms, Neville becoming so close to the trio that he fights against Draco Malfoy and tries to thwart his trap, Neville’s concern for his friends that he tries to physically stop them from endangering themselves and Hermione showing the greatest of regret when she body-binds him.

 

Chamber of Secrets and Prisoner of Azkaban lack Neville as a major character, but we do see Hermione saving Trevor and Neville from Snape and her later helping him in potions. Their shared enmity of Snape is interesting in that it lacks the “bad blood” hatred between Harry and Snape  Also interesting is how Hermione helps Neville directly, while working with Harry and Ron (who are almost as bad as Neville with Potions) after class. Overall, Neville shows no signs of resisting her advice the same way that Harry and Ron do.

 

More significant is the Goblet of Fire. There, Neville is the first Hogwarts boy to ask out Hermione, only to be beaten by Viktor Krum. Harry and Ron are shocked to find of Neville’s attempt (not only do they see little to recommend her, but also never see Neville as a romantic figure), and Hermione is deeply offended when Ron suggests that she lied to Neville in order to send him off.  Indeed, the vast majority of the fandom has ignored this crucial fact: the feeling may be mutual and Hermione truly carries something for him (many have suggested it is just her own sense of pride, but is it not also true that she hold her honesty to her friends as sacrosanct as well?). No doubt it was Hermione’s suggestion to ask out Ginny, but that turned out to be a disaster for both young Griffindors. The vast majority writes off his stepping on Ginny’s toes as sheer clumsiness, but could it be influenced by disappointment and rejection? He was more mature than Harry or Ron, trying to enjoy it and please his partner, but it is more than slightly likely that he had his spirit and confidence destroyed when he was turned down. Whenever one reads of the Yule ball fiasco, you always hear of Ron and Harry’s frustration, not of Neville’s despair (or, for that matter, how the Patils must have felt)  Neville works best when he has a motivation, like most human beings.

 

Almost as momentous was Moody’s demonstration of the Cruciatus curse, where Hermione alone noticed Neville’s terror and rescued him by stopping Moody. She is watching him, perhaps even as intently as he watches her. She shows no concern to Harry, scarred by the Avada Kedavra, but rushes to Neville’s side when he nearly faints at Crucio. She holds Harry’s scar in such high regard that Harry openly avoids telling her lest she worry, but it is very likely that she has a less matronly motivation for helping Neville.

 

This pales in comparison to the facts of Order of the Phoenix. There, Neville shows his strength, dedication, and courage. When the trio meets his grandmother, they are surprised to find that Neville had told her about Hermione, praising her uniquely, even above Harry or the Weasleys. It’s a pity we don’t hear all he told her, but grandmother Longbottom’s attitude and singling her out is clearly a sign of special interest. Perhaps it’s just gratitude from Neville, but more likely it’s something deeper. This deep care arouses courage in the Department of Ministries.

 

In the final confrontation of OotP, Hermione is downed by the Death Eater Dolohov. Neville is injured and disarmed on his way to her side (not to Harry, also in danger), and he feels her pulse to confirm that she’s alive (Harry worries and frets, but it is Neville that takes action about their fallen friend). For the rest of the battle, he’s at Harry’s side, but he insists on carrying Hermione to another room and uses her wand as both magical object (his broken nose prevents him from spellcasting) and as a blunt instrument (he pokes MacNair in the eye). He may have also saved Ginny, but did not show nearly as much dedication as he did to Hermione (Harry wanted to leave her)

 

In the Half Blood Prince, he is reduced back to cameo status as the trio and other characters take precedence. He participates in classes, fights in the final battle, and is seen at Dumbledore’s funeral, but he is peripheral at best. Hermione, on the other hand, is too busy trying to make Harry listen to reason and dealing with her mixed feelings about Ron. The book, like Slughorn, seems to think Neville simply not glamorous enough to pay attention.

 

In Deathly Hallows, there is little interaction as Hermione and Neville spend most of the books in completely different settings. Still, their joy and hope seeing each other alive shows that neither has broken their close bond despite Hermione’s relationship with Ron. These last two books lack the clearer evidence of the previous two, but that is due to Harry’s focus and the focus of the main storyline. Their stories diverge, leaving only “What-ifs” and “could-have-beens” in the wake.  There are hints of their personality compatibility, however. Hermione finally resolves her feelings to Ron when he shows compassion towards House Elves, something rather Neville-ish. Meanwhile, Neville takes the brunt of the Death Eaters’ abuse for honesty and speaking out against unfair rules, something Hermione would be proud of.

 

 

It is obvious that the filmmakers and possibly Rowling have discounted the pairing completely (indeed, they show Neville perfectly happy with Ginny in the fourth film) and prefer the mainstream trio ships. This extends to the massive fandom, which deluges Rowling’s mailbox and tries to influence her despite her mastery. Readers that never saw the possibility are less likely to accept it in the future, even though the Neville/Hermione bond was well-established by Philosopher’s stone.

 

 

Fans like the clumsy but golden-hearted Neville the same way they like Hagrid; willing to fight to make sure he survives the next book. When it comes to romance, however, he is expendable. Fans have no patience for a nice, practical, quiet pairing, and so bury it in favor of Draco, Harry, and Ron. Whenever the pairing is brought up in conversation, it buried under a chorus of disgust and disbelief, as many refuse even to consider it. Subtle hints are not enough, even as JKR made Neville a star in OotP. They must remember that both are full of surprises; love is one of the greatest surprises of all.

What are their objections? “He’d be walked over”-not entirely true; the boy has guts, and can stand up to his friends, as evidenced at St. Mungo’s and before the search for the Philosopher’s stone. Just because Hermione would dominate does not mean a failure; indeed, this is also true for Ginny and Neville. It seems interesting that Hermione is most often paired with more aggressive, dominant males. Are the fans afraid of a relationship where the man is the happy submissive?

 

“There’s no chemistry”-just because Harry never sees it doesn’t mean the reader should follow only his point of view. They work well together, and they help each other in every way possible. It’s quiet; no fireworks or pomp, but you can see it if you look carefully. People prefer fireworks in their ships, not quiet, touching moments between good friends. While most teenagers have fast, emotional relationships, it’s harder to predict unique fictional creations.

 

 The “it’s boring” argument is a weak one; you can argue that the whisper-thin H/Hr and the loud R/Hr are even more so; besides, Hermione is often dismissed as boring by her own best friends.

 

“I don’t see it”-Subtle it may be, but there are clues dropping throughout the series. The Yule ball and the grandmother’s meeting at St. Mungo’s are the clearest hints to the pairing. It took nerve for Neville to ask Hermione out; why would he want to go to a dance (and why ask well ahead of the more social Harry and Ron) if not for the feelings he had for her. Likewise, why else would Hermione stand up for him in particular; with Ron and Harry, she just nags and pontificates, but genuinely tries to help Neville; why shouldn’t she remember his role in her life?

 

“She’s ahead of him in too many ways”-her intellect is unmatched, but Ron and Harry are not particle physicists either. Indeed, Neville’s bumbling could just as easily be explained as due to lack of confidence as much as actual ineptitude. Indeed, Hermione’s role in Neville is coaxing him out of his low-self esteem; a relationship would be the natural result. They are equals in loyalty, courage, and perseverance in the face of tough odds.

 

“She’s set with Ron/Harry”-This is easy to denounce. Harry/Hermione has been shot down, and canon facts easily fail it. Ron/Hermione is by no means certain; it’s been at least five years, and neither has acted. Sure, they get into jealous snits, blush at awkward moments, and snipe at each other playfully, but nowhere has any sort of settlement towards a relationship been established. The barrier stops at friendship, nothing more. Weasley is indeed our king, but he is wise enough not to destroy their friendship.

 

These arguments are not at all sophisticated, and most opponents do not raise an argument above the level of “Never!” or “Ewwww”. There is no maturity or intellect applied to this ship; most opponents merely shrug it aside without consideration. So set in their opinions are they that any dissent is quickly shoved down. As said before, they seldom truly think about the ship and its strengths. In some polls, even Viktor Krum and Draco Malfoy get more votes than poor Neville, let alone the intra-trio ships.

 

Unglamorous, subtle, and overall non-confronting, the ship is more popular in smaller enclaves where people look at a gentler, calmer side of the shipping race, where a calm, rational look at ships is taken. There are a number of groups that are loyal to the ship, a few calling it “Forget and Remember” (a poor name for such an excellent pairing. Why not “Looking for Trevor”, “Not the last choice”, or “Courage within”?). They update slowly, and are not as well-staffed as other websites, but they do post art (rare), fiction (even the occasional smut pic where Neville takes the dominant side), but not yet any essays. Fanfiction,net has 100 N/Hr fanfics (link here), but there is not particular community. There are threads discussing the ship, such as in FictionAlleyPark and Portkey.org, and videos featuring it (Such as in this Google media search), but there are no organized movements.

 

I personally did not ship the characters for many years due to my overlooking Neville’s possibilities and Hermione’s character. I first shipped Harry/Hermione, being conventional. After the third book, I became a Ron/Hermione supporter, seeing the obvious clues. Goblet of Fire looked to be the turning point, where Ron and Hermione would finally reconcile. I was disappointed by their lack of resolution in Order of the Phoenix, and that book’s new showcase on Neville made me start thinking.

 

I’ve always been a Hermione fan, being a geeky outcast with a mouth too big for his own good. I was always ahead of the rest, always a perfectionist, and always a stickler for school rules. It was in the university that I found out the other side. I learned what it was like to change from a confident master to a bumbling novice in the course of a day. My ineptitude with chemistry made me remember Neville, and I re-read Order of the Phoenix that summer. I finally made the realization: Neville and Hermione are two sides of the same coin. They were not in opposition like Draco or Ron, but complemented each other.

 

I became an avid shipper, and rushed off to the newly-discovered world of fanfiction to find out more. To my dismay but not surprise, I found little. Due to sheer volume of fics, a small minority of Neville/Hermione fanfics has appeared, but there is no definitive work since there is no particular attention paid to this ship. Like I had done so in the past, most readers overlooked the possibility. It is genuinely depressing being the only supporter on a ship, but I took a page out of my shipped characters, and still promote them vigorously when appropriate.

 

That’s why this essay was written. Like most N/Hr shippers, this author has been dismissed by the mainline community. The evidence was weak until Goblet of Fire, when it became a distinct possibility in my mind. When Order of the Phoenix finally rolled around, it was practically concrete: Neville and Hermione could and should be a viable couple in the future. Only Neville’s near absence in the Half-Blood Prince and smaller role in Deathly Hallows prevents further evidences. Even as R/Hr triumphs, N/Hr has the honor of a closer-than-expected run.

 

HMS Neville/Hermione survived six books without sinking completely. It has been ignored by the blundering battleships of Heron and Harmony, which savage each other single-mindedly. Some have described it as a “toy boat”-isn’t that what many submarines are dismissed as? It’s a small, old ship, but it has firepower and has not yet hit the bottom. Like the heroes of Harry Potter, it’s the underdog against the all-powerful regime (the canonical, universally accepted by most fans, Ron/Hermione). Underdogs are not to be underestimated.
During the course of this essay, LJ user lunalotte88 contributed appropiate songs for the ship
Slow Me Down (Emmy Rossum)
All I Ask of You (from Phantom of the Opera)
So She Dances (Josh Groban)
You Found Me (Kelly Clarkson)
You Get Me (Michelle Branch)
She Blinded Me With Science (Thomas Dolby)
Because You Loved Me (Celine Dion)

 

 

Date: 2009-09-25 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aseret-kitsune.livejournal.com
You've made some great points in this essay and you've written it well. The effort you put into this is quite obvious.

I have to say you've completely converted me. Thinking about it, Neville and Hermione do make an adorable, interesting pairing. Makes me want to contribute to the fandom.

Lovely job, thanks for writing.^^

Date: 2009-09-26 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ranuel.livejournal.com
I'm really dissatisfied with the canon pairings at the end of the last book. The only part of that book I've bothered to read yet was the epilogue actually, just to find out what happened. There is way too much of people doing things just because the author needs them to do them in the earlier books and I'm having a hard time motivating myself to slog through the last one now that I know the ending. The pairings of characters who just seem to have been thrown together by authorial fiat is a big part of that.

That's why I love fanfic. I haven't seen any Neville/Hermione yet but I'll be sure to look out for it. It sounds much more reasonable than Ron/Hermione and probably a lot more satisfying.

Date: 2009-09-29 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ranuel.livejournal.com
I did bookmark the stories you listed to read later. I'll go check your LJ too.

Date: 2009-09-28 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] csad21.livejournal.com
I applaud you for not only such a well-written, and well-thought-out essay, but for seeing the subtleties in Neville's character.

I've always been partial to Neville myself, which is why it always frustrates me when he's made out to be less than he is, especially by his so-called fans in the fandom. In my opinion, it shows of great strength of character, that Neville can continue on without anybody finding out about his parents, that he can still regularly visit them and not show the scars that must leave. His personality has never once made me think the word "weak", it was always the words "strong", "pain", "loyal" and later "true hero" that came to mind when I thought of him.

And you're completely right. If anything, Neville/Hermione makes more sense than Ron/Hermione, especially since I think Ron doesn't deserve her, with his suspicious nature, readiness to turn his back to his friends and petty jealousies. Hermione is a bright girl (if a bit susceptible to authority) who could have a good career if she wanted, but not with Ron at her side. Neville on the other hand would steadily support her, unfailingly. Too bad there aren't any good portrayals of Neville in any fanfic, let alone a well-written Neville/Hermione fanfic.

Hopefully you'll get more people thinking and convert to this pairing :)

Date: 2009-10-13 02:21 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yeah, I agree. I would prefer Neville/Hermione over Ron/Hermione because he wouldn't bicker with her or resort to certain tactics because of petty jealousy. I do like Ron, but I don't always like who he becomes when he's with Hermione. I would be a Harry/Hermione shipper if it weren't for the brilliantly written essay titled "D'you really think they're suited?", on the Sugarquill website. That essay outlines why Hermione isn't the right girl for Harry. After reading that, I was simply not able to look at H/Hr the same way again; it now felt wrong to ship them... So yeah, N/Hr would have been a good direction to take in the books.

~LunaLotte88

Date: 2009-09-29 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emma-mage.livejournal.com
I didn't see it before but I can see it now. Nice job. I'm one of those people who happen to enjoy the quiet, mature kind of ships.

Date: 2009-10-02 12:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] limepickles.livejournal.com
I'm impressed! Very well argued and yeah, I can definitely see it now.

Wow

Date: 2009-10-09 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Wow, this essay was thorough and well-written. You used the various moments from the books to firmly support N/Hr. I casually thought about N/Hr myself a long time ago, because he has known her before Harry and Ron, although she ended up closer to them. But I put it out of my mind because I thought that Hermione would dominate Neville, and that there was too much of an intelligence gap between the two. Maybe early!Neville would not have been ready for a relationship with her, but once he became more confident and powerful, he has shown that he's more capable than people previously have thought.

Maybe it's a bit of internalized sexism that many of us have, including myself. And I'm trying to rid myself of it. I, like many others, have been intrigued by dominate-male/submissive-female pairings like Snape/Hermione or Tom/Hermione (although I never seriously shipped those), but not those involving a gentler male and a female with a more dominant personality. So yeah, I do think that sexism also has to do with why Neville/Hermione is much less popular than Snape/Hermione.

I'll check out your fics someday, and you might have me converted. :)

(In case you were wondering, I am a Percy/Hermione shipper.)

~LunaLotte88 (I'm so tempted to create an account. I also regularly check PotterSues haha)

Re: Wow

Date: 2009-10-09 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
By the way, I love your Neville/Hermione icons.

~LunaLotte88

Re: Wow

Date: 2009-10-11 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Because my parents don't want me wasting too much time online. I need to pull my grades up.

Re: Wow

Date: 2009-10-13 02:29 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I have a song that would be great for Neville/Hermione. It's "Slow Me Down" by Emmy Rossum. Hermione, being the busy person she is, would want someone who can comfort her and calm her down. And Neville would also want someone who can comfort and understand him, esp. since his grandmother put high expectations on him, which can add a lot of pressure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0eGe-VV7I8

Rushing and racing
and running in circles
Moving so fast, I'm forgetting my purpose
Blur of the traffic is sending me spinning
Getting nowhere
My head and my heart are colliding, chaotic
Pace of the world
I just wish I could stop it
Try to appear like I've got it together
I'm falling apart

Save me
Somebody take my hand, and lead me
Slow me down
Don't let love pass me by
Just show me how
'Cause I'm ready to fall
Slow me down
Don't let me live a lie
Before my life flies by
I need you to slow me down

Re: Wow

Date: 2009-10-13 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Other songs to add to the jukebox:

"All I Ask of You" from Phantom of the Opera (I'm a huge phan!). It is where Raoul and Christine declare their love and commitment for each other, and Neville and Hermione would definitely be the committed type.


And "So She Dances" by Josh Groban. It relates to the Yule Ball. I can imagine Neville watching Hermione and admiring her from afar, because she seems unreachable at times. Some of the lyrics:

A waltz when she walks in the room
She pulls back the hair from her face
She turns to the window to sway in the moonlight
Even her shadow has grace
A waltz for the girl out of reach
She lifts her hands up to the sky
She moves with the music
The song is her lover
The melody's making her cry
So she dances
In and out of the crowd like a glance
This romance is
From afar calling me silently

A waltz for the chance I should take
But how will I know where to start?
She's spinning between constellations and dreams
Her rhythm is my beating heart

So she dances
In and out of the crowd like a glance
This romance is
From afar calling me silently

~LunaLotte88 (ok i really should get an account)

Re: Wow

Date: 2009-10-14 03:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunalotte88.livejournal.com
I got an account!! Yay!

Re: Wow

Date: 2009-10-14 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunalotte88.livejournal.com
I am also a regular lurker on Fictionalley Park. I don't have an account there, but I read the threads regularly.

Re: Wow

Date: 2009-10-28 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunalotte88.livejournal.com
Heh--maybe you should create an entry devoted to the ship's playlist, because I have so many songs in my mind...I'm like a walking ipod lol.

I'm going to use a song that one of the a capella groups at my school did: Kelly Clarkson's "You Found Me". The word "found" in the title is significant, as sometimes this ship is called "Lost and Found". Neville had a tendency to lose things in a literal sense, and I can imagine that he felt lost many times as well. Hermione certainly could have reached out to him. Likewise, Neville could have reached out to Hermione as well.

Portion of the lyrics:

Is this a dream?
If it is
Please don't wake me from this high
I'd become comfortably numb
Until you opened up my eyes
To what it's like
When everything's right
I can't believe

CHORUS
You found me
When no one else was lookin'
How did you know just where I would be?
Yeah, you broke through
All of my confusion
The ups and the downs
And you still didn't leave
I guess that you saw what nobody could see
You found me
You found me

So, here we are
That's pretty far
When you think of where we've been
No going back
I'm fading out
All that has faded me within
You're by my side
Now everything's fine
I can't believe
(chorus)

Re: Wow

Date: 2009-11-16 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunalotte88.livejournal.com
Slow Me Down (Emmy Rossum)
All I Ask of You (from Phantom of the Opera)
So She Dances (Josh Groban)
You Found Me (Kelly Clarkson)
You Get Me (Michelle Branch)
She Blinded Me With Science (Thomas Dolby)
Because You Loved Me (Celine Dion)

Re: Wow

Date: 2009-10-20 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunalotte88.livejournal.com
Speaking of sexism, I wonder how well-received the pairing will be if their genders were reversed! A female Neville and male Hermione? Hmmm... I think I would actually like it less...

Date: 2009-10-10 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pepperjackcandy.livejournal.com
I really enjoyed reading this.

I've been listening to the audiobook of PS/SS with my son, so H/N has definitely been on my own mind recently.

Date: 2009-10-12 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coffee-n-cocoa.livejournal.com
Nicely done. You've stated your case quite well.

Although, now I want to write an essay for my own OTP!

Date: 2009-10-12 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coffee-n-cocoa.livejournal.com
Maybe I will, once I've taken care of the other projects on my plate!

Feel free to snag the icon, just credit [livejournal.com profile] miakosamuio when you do!

Date: 2009-10-14 08:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevemteve.livejournal.com
Well, I think Neville could be the strong and loyal background for a woman who has so many talents and ambitions like Hermione... (and this is hardly the case for Ron, let's admit)

Date: 2009-10-20 11:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sumusieni.livejournal.com
Mm, ships in general were properly going up until HBP. Especially Order of.. gave a lot of possibilities eventhough Ron's obvious jealousies with Krum around were shown before. But more interesting was how Ginny noticed Neville and Luna noticed Ron and how Ron reacted to Luna.

It was all logical with the fight in the ministry establishing a proper bond for the double trio which was all blown away in HBP. It culminated in Harry who obviously had learned nothing from the past and had forgotten all the lessons he gave in Dumbledore's army screaming Sectumsempra in all corners.

The only thing that actually forges the chain to anchor ships is the epilogue and the interviews, which imo are irrelevant because all aren't hardcore fans enough to read the interviews or Harry Potter lexicon. And the epilogue leaves both Luna and Neville single giving Neville sort of monk-like status.
There are even slash stories for Harry/Neville which are equally relevant considering the ending of the story before the epilogue. It could be said that Harry notices Neville there surrounded by admiring pupils :)

Date: 2009-10-20 09:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sumusieni.livejournal.com
I can only say that I have written several postwar N/Hr oneshots ignoring the epilogue and interviews ;P Hermione should know Neville rather well given that she has been helping and has had discussions with him. Unfortunately HBP threw all the logical characters' evolution to the winds while busy with snogging. It is so easy to imagine The Trio going after the fake horcrux with Hermione's wit, Ron giving the blood...and Hermione being of age to conceal Harry and Dobby for the poison or Hermione for added drama.
I must stop now before an OT rant spins up :)

Date: 2010-05-31 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adrianamalfoy.livejournal.com
This does make a *lot* of sense, it seems to be a quite stable and likely pairing - there is no way I can see her lasting very long happily with Ron, so the epilogue just doesn't exist in my reality. (since it's a book, it *isn't* reality, I think I can do that, no? ;-) ) I prefer Hermione with Snape, myself, because it offers the best balance of "fireworks" and "logical", but if they were real people in a long term thing, Neville may well be second best.

I like Lucius/Hermione, despite finding it relatively improbable, because (though I tend to avoid darkfic, I do prefer happy endings) there's never going to be a shortage of fireworks, and Movie!Lucius is just plain hot. I do read some Draco/Hermione, even though I don't really like them together, or think it's that likely, just for the fireworks. Reason and readership don't always go together...but I think some Neville/Hermione might just be the thing sometimes after I've read too much darkfic but don't want unpleasant dreams!

Date: 2010-09-15 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hm276.livejournal.com
Thank you for this well-written comparison and exposition of the Neville/Hermione ship.

I read a lot of Hermione-centric fics, and don`t particularly care who she ends up with as long as it is NOT Ron. That said, Neville/Hermione has always been my OTP, even while I wholeheartedly supported the H/Hr ship for the books, because as the author stated so well, you just can`t seem to find an active community - or for that matter, more than a few handful of fics - for this ship. I, for one, do not need convincing that this ship is the best around.

Frankly, I still can`t believe that JKR made Hermione end up with the most unsuitable guy for her in the whole HP-verse while neglecting the real hero of the story, Neville. Neville might be a secondary character in the books, but he has always been my hero, and the author established well Neville`s virtues and personal character in this wonderful essay.

As NevemTeve so succinctly put it, Neville could be the prerequisite rock/safe harbour for Hermione`s forceful personality and many talents to be launched at the wider WW. They would definitely make a formidable pair as they really do complement each other perfectly in all the ways that matter.

Moreover, Neville is intelligent - lest we forget that he is the best Herbology student in Hogwarts. Just because he is not a more of an all-rounder-talent like Hermione does not mean that he is less talented. So, it is quite grating to sometimes find Neville`s many great attributes downplayed.

While outwardly it might seem that Hermione would dominate their relationship, I do not believe that to be the case emotionally or ethically/spiritually. In a myriad of ways, Neville`s many strengths balance up Hermione`s more ruthless, bossy and vindictive tendencies.

Hermione and Neville complement each other by bringing the best out of each other, and while this type of relationship does not make for explosive reading, it is what makes a relationship a joy to be immersed in for the long-term.

As always, Neville/Hermione will eternally endure and flourish.

Date: 2010-12-13 05:53 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Wow! I'm reading The Goblet of Fire right now and was recently thinking that I wish Neville and Heromine would end up together! They really would make a great couple. However, many people believe that compatible couples don't usually make for good fiction. Too bad.

<3

Date: 2010-12-24 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] checkerblob.livejournal.com
So I was the one who made that "If it's a shipping war, we are a submarine" picture on dA a few weeks ago, a phrase which was inspired by this lovely manifesto. I was already leaning towards this ship, but I think this essay is what really did it for me. I still have some loyalty and love for Ron/Hermione and Neville/Luna (first ship and first fanon ship) but yeah, they are pretty perfect.
And I know what you mean about relating to Hermione, than Neville- In elementary school I always related to Hermione, and then when middle school hit, bam, I became a Neville (Well, sort of a Ron-Neville-Luna mismosh).

Date: 2011-07-17 02:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] murf1307.livejournal.com
Impressive.

I never really thought about it like this, but now I'm not sure I can ship Heron/The Good Ship anymore. Of course it was loud and obvious (obvious being what tends to get me and get me good), but you raised some fantastic points about fireworks versus logic, and whether Ron can give Hermione the freedom she deserves -- the whole epilogue seems to be "LOADS AND LOADS OF BABIES," which, really, I can't quite see for Hermione, now that I think about it; she's too stubborn and career-minded to be "in the kitchen," as the saying goes.

I've had a crush on Neville for a while now; he used to be quite...is cuddly the word? I think cuddly is the word. And now he's got the Sword of Gryffindor and Nagini's death to his credit, and that makes him quite yum. I've also really identified with Hermione; bookish, a stickler for rules, a deep-set desire for social justice (SPEW and werewolf rights, anyone?), and even the bushy hair and buck teeth. So, even just from that, N/Hr seems totally plausible.

Overall, brilliant essay; I might have to go write some N/Hr now.

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