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Fandom: Final Fantasy VII
Pairing: Cloud/Yuffie
Spoilers: All of Final Fantasy VII and Advent Children
Introduction:
Cloud and Yuffie may seem like a very unlikely pairing. Depending on how you play the game, they could have almost zero interaction. In fact, they could not even meet at all. But players who explored the possibility of Yuffie as Cloud's love interest found something fascinating. Something different. And they also found the first Final Fantasy kiss of the 3D era.
Cloud:
Although his primary interest in the beginning is his own profit and survival, it is the people who gather around Cloud who bring out his nicer, kinder side. Through caring about them, he begins to care about the world they all live in, and eventually strives to save it. He's a hard worker who never gives up. He has some identity issues, but then, what Final Fantasy hero doesn't? XD
Yuffie:
Yuffie acts selfish, obnoxious, and immature. But those are only surface traits. Beneath the bubbly exterior is a young girl who cares deeply about those around her, even if she doesn't always show it in the most blatant ways. She's always working to prove herself to others, prove how strong, fast, or clever she is. But Yuffie has a certain maturity to her that only peeks out occasionally. She has to be pretty smart to leave Wutai and strike out on her own to restore her village, relying on her own capabilities. Oh yeah, this chick is tough.
Evidence:
Cloud and Yuffie meet when Cloud & co. litterally run into Yuffie in the forest. She initially attacks the group and steals/tries to steal all their materia. By the player making the right moves, Yuffie joins the party.
Depending on how often you keep Yuffie in your party, she gets quite a bit of amusing dialogue. Despite her quirks, she and Cloud seem to get along fairly well. At one point, when Yuffie rips the party off and heads back to Wutai, Cloud and co. track her down. While upset with her, they end up forgiving her and letting her re-join them. I think it's rather interesting that Cloud would allow her back into the party after something like that.
On the airship, you can get quite a few cute scenes between Cloud and Yuffie by seeking out Yuffie each time you go back onto the ship. She'll usually say something funny to him or complain about being airsick. Adorably, Cloud tries to teach her some bizarre exercises that will help her airsickness. This is perhaps the cutest moment between them.
But perhaps the most interesting aspect of their relationship in FF7 is that, if you get Yuffie for the date sequence, she will actually kiss Cloud, thus making her the only female character to EVER (yes, EVER, which means including Advent Children) kiss Cloud. And from the screenshots, it looks like a mouth kiss.
In Advent Children, they don't have a whole lot of interaction with each other, but there are some amusing little hints. First of all, Cloud had a box of materia with him in the church where he was staying. When Yuffie comes in later, she immediately asks "Where's my materia?" It's not a huge leap to assume that the materia Cloud had was her's. So what was he doing with it? Isn't it possible that she had visited him at the church and left her materia? Isn't it even possible that she may have stayed with him for a while?
Then, in the "Reminscence of FFVII" feature on the DVD (the one that serves as a refresher of the game), we see little clips here and there of Cloud traveling. Yuffie keeps calling him, even calls other members of their little group (like Vincent and even Cid) in an attempt to get ahold of him. When Cloud finally arrives, he has a package waiting on him from Yuffie. He immediately tears it open, only to find a "Closed for Business" sign (everyone wanted him to take a vacation, and apparently Yuffie cared enough about him to put a lot of work into this little stunt).
I also must point out that even though Cloud and Tifa were living together in AC, he didn't spend much time at home and even camped out in the church a lot. Could it be that he wasn't happy at home? Also, I find it odd that we never got to see a Cloud/Tifa kiss. Wasn't this Square's big chance to cement the status of their relationship? And yet there is nothing. After all that time between the game and AC, you'd think they would have officially gotten together by now, right? But here is Yuffie, who was more than likely visiting Cloud at the time and possibly spent some time with him. Alone. In an abandoned church. It's not a big stretch of the imagination to think that maybe, just maybe, Cloud was turning to Yuffie because things were not going well with Tifa.
Yes, I know this evidence is not plentiful, nor is it very deep or convincing. But it's enough for fans of the pairing to keep hope alive. No one is trying to prove that Cloud and Yuffie are in love in canon. But I think there's enough evidence to prove that it's a possibility.
Their Relationship:
The canon relationship between Cloud and Yuffie can be seen differently, depending on the choices you made throughout the game. If you get the Yuffie date sequence, I think it's highly likely that something romantic is going on between them. Perhaps it was a fling. Perhaps they hooked up a few times between the game and AC. But the fact remains that Yuffie kissed Cloud, and he made no attempt to stop her or pull away. If the makers of the game didn't want Cloud/Yuffie to be a possibility, they wouldn't have allowed that scene to occur.
I think Cloud cares a lot about Yuffie, regardless of the date. It is possible that he see's her as a good friend. He tries to help her out when he can, and obviously has concern for her safety and well-being. Yuffie is very obviously attracted to Cloud (she kissed him!) and it's a very safe assumption that she developed a crush on him throughout the game. Being the spunky, bold girl she is, I'm sure she's made (another) move on Cloud at some point.
Cloud needs someone to supply some light-hearted adventure and fun in his life. Yuffie needs someone to be strong and stable for her. They're perfect for each other, and ONLY for each other. They compliment each other, complete each other, and each of them provides something to other that was missing in their lives.
Why Support Cloud/Yuffie?
The short answer is: it's different! Let's face it, the Cloud/Aeris and Cloud/Tifa fanfics have been done to death. While I have no particular problem with those pairings, I find them boring. By shipping Cloud/Yuffie, you find yourself in new territory. The fandom for this pairing is growing day by day, and so is the number of fanfics, fanart, doujinshi scans, and fansites devoted to it. Now is the perfect time to jump in!
But beyond that, it's a truly entertaining pairing. Cloud is stoic and (mostly) serious. Yuffie is wild and adventurous. If you can't see the sparks flying already, you need to take a closer look. They have chemistry, and the type of relationship that can be written or interpreted in a hundred different ways. So take a chance and try something new. You might just find a new OTP.
Brief Fandom Guide:
Airsick - My extensive shrine to the pairing. You can find a large fanfic library here, as well as fanart, doujinshi scans, icons, and many other things. Also includes the fanlisting.
Ninja & Samurai - Another nice Cloud/Yuffie shrine. Has a large fanart gallery and lots of information.
The Cloud/Yuffie Yahoo Group - This Yahoo group has the biggest known collection of Cloud/Yuffie fanart (Japanese or otherwise). Be sure to check it out!
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clouffielove - The Cloud/Yuffie Livejournal community.
Note: Most of the "evidence" from Advent Children was initially pointed out to me byitsutsuboshi.
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archicaFandom: Final Fantasy VII
Pairing: Cloud/Yuffie
Spoilers: All of Final Fantasy VII and Advent Children
Introduction:
Cloud and Yuffie may seem like a very unlikely pairing. Depending on how you play the game, they could have almost zero interaction. In fact, they could not even meet at all. But players who explored the possibility of Yuffie as Cloud's love interest found something fascinating. Something different. And they also found the first Final Fantasy kiss of the 3D era.
Cloud:
Although his primary interest in the beginning is his own profit and survival, it is the people who gather around Cloud who bring out his nicer, kinder side. Through caring about them, he begins to care about the world they all live in, and eventually strives to save it. He's a hard worker who never gives up. He has some identity issues, but then, what Final Fantasy hero doesn't? XD
Yuffie:
Yuffie acts selfish, obnoxious, and immature. But those are only surface traits. Beneath the bubbly exterior is a young girl who cares deeply about those around her, even if she doesn't always show it in the most blatant ways. She's always working to prove herself to others, prove how strong, fast, or clever she is. But Yuffie has a certain maturity to her that only peeks out occasionally. She has to be pretty smart to leave Wutai and strike out on her own to restore her village, relying on her own capabilities. Oh yeah, this chick is tough.
Evidence:
Cloud and Yuffie meet when Cloud & co. litterally run into Yuffie in the forest. She initially attacks the group and steals/tries to steal all their materia. By the player making the right moves, Yuffie joins the party.
Depending on how often you keep Yuffie in your party, she gets quite a bit of amusing dialogue. Despite her quirks, she and Cloud seem to get along fairly well. At one point, when Yuffie rips the party off and heads back to Wutai, Cloud and co. track her down. While upset with her, they end up forgiving her and letting her re-join them. I think it's rather interesting that Cloud would allow her back into the party after something like that.
On the airship, you can get quite a few cute scenes between Cloud and Yuffie by seeking out Yuffie each time you go back onto the ship. She'll usually say something funny to him or complain about being airsick. Adorably, Cloud tries to teach her some bizarre exercises that will help her airsickness. This is perhaps the cutest moment between them.
But perhaps the most interesting aspect of their relationship in FF7 is that, if you get Yuffie for the date sequence, she will actually kiss Cloud, thus making her the only female character to EVER (yes, EVER, which means including Advent Children) kiss Cloud. And from the screenshots, it looks like a mouth kiss.
In Advent Children, they don't have a whole lot of interaction with each other, but there are some amusing little hints. First of all, Cloud had a box of materia with him in the church where he was staying. When Yuffie comes in later, she immediately asks "Where's my materia?" It's not a huge leap to assume that the materia Cloud had was her's. So what was he doing with it? Isn't it possible that she had visited him at the church and left her materia? Isn't it even possible that she may have stayed with him for a while?
Then, in the "Reminscence of FFVII" feature on the DVD (the one that serves as a refresher of the game), we see little clips here and there of Cloud traveling. Yuffie keeps calling him, even calls other members of their little group (like Vincent and even Cid) in an attempt to get ahold of him. When Cloud finally arrives, he has a package waiting on him from Yuffie. He immediately tears it open, only to find a "Closed for Business" sign (everyone wanted him to take a vacation, and apparently Yuffie cared enough about him to put a lot of work into this little stunt).
I also must point out that even though Cloud and Tifa were living together in AC, he didn't spend much time at home and even camped out in the church a lot. Could it be that he wasn't happy at home? Also, I find it odd that we never got to see a Cloud/Tifa kiss. Wasn't this Square's big chance to cement the status of their relationship? And yet there is nothing. After all that time between the game and AC, you'd think they would have officially gotten together by now, right? But here is Yuffie, who was more than likely visiting Cloud at the time and possibly spent some time with him. Alone. In an abandoned church. It's not a big stretch of the imagination to think that maybe, just maybe, Cloud was turning to Yuffie because things were not going well with Tifa.
Yes, I know this evidence is not plentiful, nor is it very deep or convincing. But it's enough for fans of the pairing to keep hope alive. No one is trying to prove that Cloud and Yuffie are in love in canon. But I think there's enough evidence to prove that it's a possibility.
Their Relationship:
The canon relationship between Cloud and Yuffie can be seen differently, depending on the choices you made throughout the game. If you get the Yuffie date sequence, I think it's highly likely that something romantic is going on between them. Perhaps it was a fling. Perhaps they hooked up a few times between the game and AC. But the fact remains that Yuffie kissed Cloud, and he made no attempt to stop her or pull away. If the makers of the game didn't want Cloud/Yuffie to be a possibility, they wouldn't have allowed that scene to occur.
I think Cloud cares a lot about Yuffie, regardless of the date. It is possible that he see's her as a good friend. He tries to help her out when he can, and obviously has concern for her safety and well-being. Yuffie is very obviously attracted to Cloud (she kissed him!) and it's a very safe assumption that she developed a crush on him throughout the game. Being the spunky, bold girl she is, I'm sure she's made (another) move on Cloud at some point.
Cloud needs someone to supply some light-hearted adventure and fun in his life. Yuffie needs someone to be strong and stable for her. They're perfect for each other, and ONLY for each other. They compliment each other, complete each other, and each of them provides something to other that was missing in their lives.
Why Support Cloud/Yuffie?
The short answer is: it's different! Let's face it, the Cloud/Aeris and Cloud/Tifa fanfics have been done to death. While I have no particular problem with those pairings, I find them boring. By shipping Cloud/Yuffie, you find yourself in new territory. The fandom for this pairing is growing day by day, and so is the number of fanfics, fanart, doujinshi scans, and fansites devoted to it. Now is the perfect time to jump in!
But beyond that, it's a truly entertaining pairing. Cloud is stoic and (mostly) serious. Yuffie is wild and adventurous. If you can't see the sparks flying already, you need to take a closer look. They have chemistry, and the type of relationship that can be written or interpreted in a hundred different ways. So take a chance and try something new. You might just find a new OTP.
Brief Fandom Guide:
Airsick - My extensive shrine to the pairing. You can find a large fanfic library here, as well as fanart, doujinshi scans, icons, and many other things. Also includes the fanlisting.
Ninja & Samurai - Another nice Cloud/Yuffie shrine. Has a large fanart gallery and lots of information.
The Cloud/Yuffie Yahoo Group - This Yahoo group has the biggest known collection of Cloud/Yuffie fanart (Japanese or otherwise). Be sure to check it out!
clouffielove - The Cloud/Yuffie Livejournal community.Note: Most of the "evidence" from Advent Children was initially pointed out to me by
itsutsuboshi.
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Date: 2006-10-11 09:34 am (UTC)You said that that chest of materias in the church in AC probably belongs to Yuffie. She just left it there after visiting Cloud. I don't think so. I think what she meant when she exclaimed 'where's my materia' is just a playful jab. Throughout the game, she's always expressed an interest in everyone's materia. She even asked Cloud to sign a contract (on the airship) to give her all the materia after the final battle, which Cloud of course declined. Even so, Yuffie probably still refers to everyone's materia as hers.
Next, you said that one possible reason why Cloud always stayed away from home in AC is because he's not happy with Tifa. I think it's very safe to say (with all the hints given in the movie, especially the photos), that Cloud loved living with Tifa and the kids. But after he got inflicted with geostigma, a fatal diesease, he just retreated into himself. Like Tifa said, Cloud doesn't have the will to fight anymore. So chances are, Cloud just wanted a quiet place to live out the rest of his remaining life.
You also said that if Cloud liked Tifa, they should have gotten together already, in the two years between the game and AC. I don't think using time is a good measure of when a couple will actually get together. There is no should when it comes to when to fall in love.
Remember that Cloud has been through a lot of things in his life, so it is likely that he will take a much longer time to fully express his feelings.
Lastly, I think one very huge reason why Cloud never got together with Tifa or Aeris even to the very end of the movie is commercial purposes. By leaving this ambiguous, Squaresoft wouldn't have to deal with angry fans of the other pairing, and also, this would spawn a lot more speculation and interest in the series.
Of course, this doesn't mean that I'm telling you that Cloud/Yuffie doesn't work. They could, just like Cloud/Tifa and Cloud/Aeris. Hope you won't take any offense. ^^
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Date: 2006-10-11 04:16 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2006-10-11 07:49 pm (UTC)ZOMG ♥
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Date: 2006-10-19 10:50 am (UTC)It was really good. ^_^
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Date: 2007-02-18 07:48 pm (UTC)You can't be serious.
*laugh my fuck up*
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Date: 2008-04-09 05:39 pm (UTC)I, however, have some qualms about how you presented your points considering (1) why Cloud had materia in the church, (2) why CloudxTifa wasn't happening and (3) how Cloud might be turning to Yuffie because things weren't going well with Tifa.
(1) I think Yuffie's "Where's my materia?" line in Advent Children was just a good poke at her character--it was her scene of entrance, after all, and I think that the director set for her to say that line to keep the fans entertained with a small thought of "Oh look, its Yuffie, and she's still that same airsick materia-greedy theif. Aha." (Something like that.)
I also don't think that Yuffie could've been staying with Cloud in the church. Visiting, yes; maybe staying a night or two, yes; but for a long period of time? I doubt it. The church, in a sense, is Cloud's personal space--a guilt-ridden space, if I may say, that reminds him of Aeris (in entirety) and with it, her end--her death. Somehow, I think Cloud's stay in the church is, of course, Aeris-related, and I think even the ever nosy Yuffie would know not to tread in the dangerous territory of Cloud's self-wangst in that field. Maybe she'd come and try to cheer him up, but she'd never stay for long. Judging from Advent Children, Cloud still had a lot of guilt with him, so we know no one has been able to change it so far.
(2) and (3) In my opinion, the reason CloudxTifa had yet to happen wasn't because of Yuffie; but rather it was because Cloud wasn't ready to commit in a relationship at all after everything that happened in FFVII. Of course, I have my post-FFVII CloudxAeris-wangst speculations (yes, I do believe that Cloud was--is--hung up over Aeris, even until Advent Children), but let's not get into that.
(4) And oh!
*They're perfect for each other, and ONLY for each other.
I don't think you should seal the pairing with the word ONLY. Although I do get how you're trying to say that CloudxYuffie compliment each other well (as compared to any other character they could be paired up with), doing this makes it feel somehow that you're sealing CloudxYuffie as the one true canon, when you yourself admitted that there are things might be made of speculation.
Of course, it could be just me. Just a little comment.
In any case, good essay, I enjoyed reading it! Keep it up.
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Date: 2008-12-24 07:43 pm (UTC)