As for lovey-dovey no-conflict relationships being boring ... well, speaking as someone who's been extremely happily married for nearly 10 years now, I don't think that's the case. Or if we're speaking strictly of fictional relationships
Oh, I'm *totally* speaking of fictional relationships. I see no reason to throw monkey wrenches into *real* relationships for the sake of excitement!
had an easier time believing in Dick's attraction to Clancy than to Tarantulas.
They were two totally different *types* of attraction, though. Dick had an easy, flirty relationship with Clancy and a desperate, issue-laden relationship with Catalina.
(I also don't buy Devin's take on the Nightwing/Huntress relationship, but that's another rant.)
Not to be too aggressive or anything, but by the time you're denying more canon than you are accepting, don't you wonder if it's *your* perception of the character that's off? For better or worse, Devin's had a hand in shaping the character and his major relationships since his Titans days. When you have to go back ten years to find a Dick that you *do* feel is well written, perhaps it's time to accept that the character has evolved beyond who he was as Robin, when his crush on Batgirl was the easiest thing in the world, and the most important thing too.
I was also extremely offended by Devin's script for the now-infamous rooftop rape scene.
Which is interesting, because I don't see why so many people read that *as* a rape scene. You simply can't tell me that Dick was incapable of either verbally or physically preventing sex from happening at that point in time. The phrasing that he *does* use to tell her "Don't" speaks more of his feeling, in that instant, that he's undeserving of comfort or love, that he only deserves to be alone. Was it stupid, inappropriate sex? Sure. Was Dick in a vulnerable spot, emotionally? Of course. Was it rape? Not unless you'd also call it rape if, hypothetically, Dick and Babs had had sex when Dick went to Babs after Haly's burned down. He was in an equally emotional and vulnerable state of mind there, don't you think?
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Date: 2005-02-11 07:29 am (UTC)Oh, I'm *totally* speaking of fictional relationships. I see no reason to throw monkey wrenches into *real* relationships for the sake of excitement!
had an easier time believing in Dick's attraction to Clancy than to Tarantulas.
They were two totally different *types* of attraction, though. Dick had an easy, flirty relationship with Clancy and a desperate, issue-laden relationship with Catalina.
(I also don't buy Devin's take on the Nightwing/Huntress relationship, but that's another rant.)
Not to be too aggressive or anything, but by the time you're denying more canon than you are accepting, don't you wonder if it's *your* perception of the character that's off? For better or worse, Devin's had a hand in shaping the character and his major relationships since his Titans days. When you have to go back ten years to find a Dick that you *do* feel is well written, perhaps it's time to accept that the character has evolved beyond who he was as Robin, when his crush on Batgirl was the easiest thing in the world, and the most important thing too.
I was also extremely offended by Devin's script for the now-infamous rooftop rape scene.
Which is interesting, because I don't see why so many people read that *as* a rape scene. You simply can't tell me that Dick was incapable of either verbally or physically preventing sex from happening at that point in time. The phrasing that he *does* use to tell her "Don't" speaks more of his feeling, in that instant, that he's undeserving of comfort or love, that he only deserves to be alone. Was it stupid, inappropriate sex? Sure. Was Dick in a vulnerable spot, emotionally? Of course. Was it rape? Not unless you'd also call it rape if, hypothetically, Dick and Babs had had sex when Dick went to Babs after Haly's burned down. He was in an equally emotional and vulnerable state of mind there, don't you think?