They were two totally different *types* of attraction, though. Dick had an easy, flirty relationship with Clancy and a desperate, issue-laden relationship with Catalina.
I understand they were different. I also found one to be portrayed more plausibly than the other. YMMV.
Not to be too aggressive or anything, but by the time you're denying more canon than you are accepting, don't you wonder if it's *your* perception of the character that's off?
Nope. I'm saying I don't care for how she wrote it. That's not denying canon. That's saying I don't like it. Dixon and McDaniel also didn't care for the Nightwing/Huntress miniseries, as it happens. Looking at the amount of Dixon canon (and Wolfman, since I've read a lot of Titans stuff, and Wolfman is the writer who created the Nightwing persona in the first place) against Devin's canon, I find that I enjoy reading more of Dixon and Wolfman, and even if you exclude Dixon's current short run on the title, he's written Nightwing canon more recently than 10 years ago.
Which is interesting, because I don't see why so many people read that *as* a rape scene. You simply can't tell me that Dick was incapable of either verbally or physically preventing sex from happening at that point in time.
I call it a rape scene because I define rape as "carnal knowledge of a person without his/her consent." I also call it a rape scene because Devin's script for that issue says, "I don't want us to get in trouble, but I also don't want any confusion about what's going on here. Believe it or not, this wildly inappropriate, gratuitous sex (or really rape, to be fair to him) is a plot point." Additionally, she referred to it as a rape in a chat session (which is not a formal interview, but still indicative of how she saw it). So the author herself has called it rape twice, and "nonconsensual" in another interview:
From the chat transcript: (http://www.jlauniverse.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=2275)
acedrake :Devin, will babs forgive NW his tryst with Tanatula? Or where they on a "Ross Breake" ? Smile
DevinGrayson :Will do, Space Cowboy -- check my website. :-)
DevinGrayson :Ace -- Ross break, lol! Um.,..well, considering he was raped, I think there's a good chance Babs will forgive him.
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I understand they were different. I also found one to be portrayed more plausibly than the other. YMMV.
Not to be too aggressive or anything, but by the time you're denying more canon than you are accepting, don't you wonder if it's *your* perception of the character that's off?
Nope. I'm saying I don't care for how she wrote it. That's not denying canon. That's saying I don't like it. Dixon and McDaniel also didn't care for the Nightwing/Huntress miniseries, as it happens. Looking at the amount of Dixon canon (and Wolfman, since I've read a lot of Titans stuff, and Wolfman is the writer who created the Nightwing persona in the first place) against Devin's canon, I find that I enjoy reading more of Dixon and Wolfman, and even if you exclude Dixon's current short run on the title, he's written Nightwing canon more recently than 10 years ago.
Which is interesting, because I don't see why so many people read that *as* a rape scene. You simply can't tell me that Dick was incapable of either verbally or physically preventing sex from happening at that point in time.
I call it a rape scene because I define rape as "carnal knowledge of a person without his/her consent." I also call it a rape scene because Devin's script for that issue says, "I don't want us to get in trouble, but I also don't want any confusion about what's going on here. Believe it or not, this wildly inappropriate, gratuitous sex (or really rape, to be fair to him) is a plot point." Additionally, she referred to it as a rape in a chat session (which is not a formal interview, but still indicative of how she saw it). So the author herself has called it rape twice, and "nonconsensual" in another interview:
From the chat transcript: (http://www.jlauniverse.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=2275)
acedrake :Devin, will babs forgive NW his tryst with Tanatula? Or where they on a "Ross Breake" ? Smile
DevinGrayson :Will do, Space Cowboy -- check my website. :-)
DevinGrayson :Ace -- Ross break, lol! Um.,..well, considering he was raped, I think there's a good chance Babs will forgive him.