Given that I'm a part-time lurker at best, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that I'd missed six hundred discussions of this...but what about Movie 6, The Undiscovered Country, when Spock uses the mind-meld to get information out of the unfortunate Valkris? For me, this is hotter than the proverbial two-dollar pistol. Why?
1) This is SO against Spock's nature, ethics, training, wishes...and Nimoy acts it so beautifully, that intimacy of torturer/tortured, that giving pain=feeling pain, that mind-meld intimacy that's terrible even in willing intimacy and a hundredfold more terrible like this. Even if there'd been no one else on the bridge, it would've been awe-inspiring. But...
2) Who tells him to do it? Who violates his own wishes, his own knowledge of Spock's nature, his own knowledge of what the mind-meld means? Who says to Spock, "It is necessary for you to rape this woman with exactly the technique that has made us most intimate"? Yup, Golden Boy himself. And maybe it hurts him, but does he regret doing what necessity demands? Nope. That's Kirk: Mr. Whatever It Takes on the hoof.
3) And does Spock understand that? Oh yeah. Is there any more reproach than that one look? Does anyone have to beg forgiveness or explain why they did it? Unh-UNH. This is so Roland and Oliver, if you know that death-scene from the Chanson de Roland: Oliver, all over blood, strikes Roland, whom he can't see, and then makes a huge speech apologizing for it, because, he says, "I didn't know it was you." And what Oliver's clearly saying (considering that this comes after a huge fight about whether to call in the cavalry to this last-ditch stand) is that he should've known Roland was what he was and couldn't be changed. He should've accepted the unacceptable in his friend, because at some point that's what all love comes to. But Spock doesn't need to make Oliver's speech, and Kirk doesn't need to apologize, because these boys have had a LOT of practice in accepting the unacceptable from each other over the years. Sex or no sex, slash or no slash, this is L-U-V love. And I love it.
--Cat Periodic lurker, friend of Lynn C., rabid fan of your fiction
Slashy moment I've never seen mentioned
1) This is SO against Spock's nature, ethics, training, wishes...and Nimoy acts it so beautifully, that intimacy of torturer/tortured, that giving pain=feeling pain, that mind-meld intimacy that's terrible even in willing intimacy and a hundredfold more terrible like this. Even if there'd been no one else on the bridge, it would've been awe-inspiring. But...
2) Who tells him to do it? Who violates his own wishes, his own knowledge of Spock's nature, his own knowledge of what the mind-meld means? Who says to Spock, "It is necessary for you to rape this woman with exactly the technique that has made us most intimate"? Yup, Golden Boy himself. And maybe it hurts him, but does he regret doing what necessity demands? Nope. That's Kirk: Mr. Whatever It Takes on the hoof.
3) And does Spock understand that? Oh yeah. Is there any more reproach than that one look? Does anyone have to beg forgiveness or explain why they did it? Unh-UNH. This is so Roland and Oliver, if you know that death-scene from the Chanson de Roland: Oliver, all over blood, strikes Roland, whom he can't see, and then makes a huge speech apologizing for it, because, he says, "I didn't know it was you." And what Oliver's clearly saying (considering that this comes after a huge fight about whether to call in the cavalry to this last-ditch stand) is that he should've known Roland was what he was and couldn't be changed. He should've accepted the unacceptable in his friend, because at some point that's what all love comes to. But Spock doesn't need to make Oliver's speech, and Kirk doesn't need to apologize, because these boys have had a LOT of practice in accepting the unacceptable from each other over the years. Sex or no sex, slash or no slash, this is L-U-V love. And I love it.
--Cat
Periodic lurker, friend of Lynn C., rabid fan of your fiction